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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby homebrew » Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:47 am

I was the odd-man-out last night in our doubles league, so I go to play Cali. I used an SSS Magic and the Ion all evening, using the Magic for upshots and the Ion for putting. There were some putts that I made that the Ion really stuck, where normally the shot would graze off. Pretty impressive- it really grabbed chains.

On upshots where I took a second shot, the Ion seemed to go a bit farther than the Magic with the same amount of power. YMMV.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby Frank Delicious » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:29 am

discspeed wrote:The Ion is quicker than the Wizard...not so much faster, but more nimble in its directional capabilities. It does carry farther than most Wizards and is a little straighter out of the box. It also flies better on lower lines (doesn't drop as fast), but can be thrown high as well. For putting it really depends on your style. With some good pop and spin the Ion can fly low without dropping. It is too flexible to be a good drop/push putter imo.


This. I throw wizards primarily and this is dead on. The Ion is also easier to power grip.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby what'shisname » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:39 am

discspeed wrote:The Ion is quicker than the Wizard...not so much faster, but more nimble in its directional capabilities. It does carry farther than most Wizards and is a little straighter out of the box. It also flies better on lower lines (doesn't drop as fast), but can be thrown high as well. For putting it really depends on your style. With some good pop and spin the Ion can fly low without dropping. It is too flexible to be a good drop/push putter imo.


Are you using your voodoos for anything anymore? I had a light FR Ion for a bit but I never got a good feel for it for putting because of the premium plastic. I've got a couple more heavier Ions on the way and I'm looking forward to trying them out but I doubt I'll like to actually putt with them due to the same issue.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby NoLifeLeft » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:40 am

Frank Delicious wrote:
discspeed wrote:The Ion is quicker than the Wizard...not so much faster, but more nimble in its directional capabilities. It does carry farther than most Wizards and is a little straighter out of the box. It also flies better on lower lines (doesn't drop as fast), but can be thrown high as well. For putting it really depends on your style. With some good pop and spin the Ion can fly low without dropping. It is too flexible to be a good drop/push putter imo.


This. I throw wizards primarily and this is dead on. The Ion is also easier to power grip.


While the chances of it booting my Wizards are slim, I guess I'll have to try one anyway. :roll: Plastic whorin' ain't easy.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby discspeed » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:51 am

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discspeed wrote:The Ion is quicker than the Wizard...not so much faster, but more nimble in its directional capabilities. It does carry farther than most Wizards and is a little straighter out of the box. It also flies better on lower lines (doesn't drop as fast), but can be thrown high as well. For putting it really depends on your style. With some good pop and spin the Ion can fly low without dropping. It is too flexible to be a good drop/push putter imo.


Are you using your voodoos for anything anymore? I had a light FR Ion for a bit but I never got a good feel for it for putting because of the premium plastic. I've got a couple more heavier Ions on the way and I'm looking forward to trying them out but I doubt I'll like to actually putt with them due to the same issue.


I'm still doing most of my putting with my Organic Voodoos. I tried the Ions for a couple weeks, but I just couldn't get used to the premium plastic feel. I like the Ions for unusual putts...outside the circle, hyzer, anhyzer, and wind, however, I prefer the Voodoos for touch putts inside the circle and wholeheartedly when wet. My Voodoo is a little straighter on putts than my Ion as it is breaking in. I also think that the premium plastic Ion has a slightly higher cruising speed...unnoticeable on upshots and drives, but noticeable on short putts. I was missing 20'ers that were dropping hard because I really finesse them in with my Voodoo. So I found myself jamming in from short distances, which didn't feel natural and resulting in some cut throughs and other plastic vs. metal situations I'm not used to. I feel like I could float my Voodoo in from 15-20' with no effort at all, and I can grip it very lightly because of the super grip.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby cmrichar » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:00 am

discspeed wrote:It is too flexible to be a good drop/push putter imo.

They are finishing up a few things at the shop and we hope to be ready to run our Medium Proton plastic early next week! I feel that this Soft proton plastic in our first/second run, along with this Medium Proton plastic, will compliment each other very well. I will be keeping everyone up to date on all progress made!

I don't remember where I heard this, but thought I that I heard the Softs bounce too much off of objects? I was surprised to hear that because after finally getting some serious testing with some of the second runs this spring break, I found that to be very false...maybe I am seeing things..? I was amazed to see if I hit a tree when driving with it, it would absorb a TON of the impact and not kick off to the side and fly into the woods like most discs would do. Same goes with putting, if I fell short on a putt it would just hit the cage and the flexibility just deadened the impact and fell straight down. In addition to this, the soft grippy Electron plastic on the edge further reduces bouncing. What are some of your experiences with this?

And of course, I am looking forward to our Medium Proton plastic run as I prefer a firmer putter on my shorter putts myself, but love the flexibility of our Softs for longer approaches and drives. Everyone has their preferences on what feels right for them. Thats why down the road after our Medium and Softs are being mass produced...we hope to start prototyping some stuff that will broaden our line up... but that is going to be kept secret for now.

The Electron overmold simply put is performing outstanding! I could not be more pleased with how effective the grippy overmold is literally grabbing hold of the chains and NOT letting go. I have yet to have any cut throughs or bounce outs for that matter. The durability of the overmold is GREAT! Granted I havent been using my Ion nearly as much as most have been.. so any issues with durability being seen?

At any rate, I am glad to hear all of the great feedback coming in! If there are any questions feel free to shoot em! Also, dont forget about the Hotstamp Contest! We have already recieved a handful of submissions and look forward to more!

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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby homebrew » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:10 am

Worm 28 wrote:The Electron overmold simply put is performing outstanding! I could not be more pleased with how effective the grippy overmold is literally grabbing hold of the chains and NOT letting go. I have yet to have any cut throughs or bounce outs for that matter. The durability of the overmold is GREAT! Granted I havent been using my Ion nearly as much as most have been.. so any issues with durability being seen?


I will have to agree with that.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby Frank Delicious » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:16 am

I've had bounce outs and cut through with my Ions but I only use my first runs for 50'+ jump putts so that probably has something to do with it. Durability is great but the flight plates on both my first run Ions are starting to sink a little.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby discspeed » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:40 am

Worm 28 wrote:I don't remember where I heard this, but thought I that I heard the Softs bounce too much off of objects? I was surprised to hear that because after finally getting some serious testing with some of the second runs this spring break, I found that to be very false...maybe I am seeing things..? I was amazed to see if I hit a tree when driving with it, it would absorb a TON of the impact and not kick off to the side and fly into the woods like most discs would do. Same goes with putting, if I fell short on a putt it would just hit the cage and the flexibility just deadened the impact and fell straight down. In addition to this, the soft grippy Electron plastic on the edge further reduces bouncing. What are some of your experiences with this?


I 100% agree with this...and I've probably driven 100s of times with my Ions by now. I have been messing around and throwing the Ion VERY hard, and I've never seen it bounce more than 20-30' away from the tree it hit. Most of the time it flies less than 10. The outer ring absorbs shock like nothing I've seen. Not only does it absorb the shock from the collision with objects, but it seems to absorb any rebound shock from the inner plastic as well. I'd like to see dyed Ion because then you could see how the spin just stops when it collides with something.


Worm 28 wrote:The Electron overmold simply put is performing outstanding! I could not be more pleased with how effective the grippy overmold is literally grabbing hold of the chains and NOT letting go. I have yet to have any cut throughs or bounce outs for that matter. The durability of the overmold is GREAT! Granted I havent been using my Ion nearly as much as most have been.. so any issues with durability being seen?


I also agree that the overmold grabs chains and basket and absorbs shock there just as it does against trees. I too am looking forward to the medium protons as they may be what I'm looking for to putt with inside the circle. I think that you somewhere compared the durability of the overmold to star...I'd go one better and compare it to Champion/Z/Opto. The Ions are really durable. My first one that has seen the most use by far I believe has broken in slightly...It seems to flip up just slightly now on harder throws, and fly even straighter on long approaches. Great work! I haven't had so much fun throwing a putter since the original "gummy" Qmegas came out in like '04...and the Ions are even better than those.

When you guys first came here and announced your ideas I was skeptical. I thought that you had some interesting ideas, but I imagined more of a learning curve and a lot of substandard protos before you guys produced something that felt and flew the way you imagined. At best I thought it would result in just another putter. I had no idea that the Ion would be so unique in feel and flight and so dynamic performancewise. The closest thing out now to the Ion is the HPP Voodoo, and I have one, and the Ion simply outperforms it in every way...
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby josser » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:05 pm

Worm 28 wrote:They are finishing up a few things at the shop and we hope to be ready to run our Medium Proton plastic early next week! I feel that this Soft proton plastic in our first/second run, along with this Medium Proton plastic, will compliment each other very well. I will be keeping everyone up to date on all progress made!


What is the medium plastic going to be like? Stiff and durable like KC Rocs? Something like that?
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby cmrichar » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:57 pm

josser wrote:
Worm 28 wrote:They are finishing up a few things at the shop and we hope to be ready to run our Medium Proton plastic early next week! I feel that this Soft proton plastic in our first/second run, along with this Medium Proton plastic, will compliment each other very well. I will be keeping everyone up to date on all progress made!


What is the medium plastic going to be like? Stiff and durable like KC Rocs? Something like that?

Its going to be hard to say EXACTLY how stiff they are going to be. However, they should definitely be significantly firmer in flex compared to our Softs. And of course, durability is going to remain the same as the Softs....VERY durable. In other words, its primarily the same material as our softs, but firmer.

So for those who may like the Ion, but prefer a stiffer putter... this should most certainly be what you are looking for!
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby Waddly Hobbins » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:38 pm

What is MVP disc's response to the opinion that the texture of top of the disc is too slick to be a pure putter.

I've been reading everyone's responses on this disc and it seems that I'm not the only one that feels that the top is very slick. The grip, while alright when dry, is very slippery when wet with sweat/rain, especially compared to base plastic of other companies.

The disc has amazing flight characteristics, glide, and can grab chains like no one's business, however, I think some people may keep it as a drive/ approach putter because of its slick grip. Is there a way to "rough up" the top of the disc to give it a tackier feel? Would changing the texture of the top change flight characteristics in any way?

I'm not trying to be harsh or anything. Love the disc, I'm only trying to give constructive criticism.
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby Booter » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:46 pm

^ i agree with that

i love the ion thus far but mainly for driving and approaches. i love the underside texture and would love it even more if the top was textured as well. i think it would give my pures a run for the putter spot in my bag if it was textured. it grabs chains like crazy but the slick top does not feel to great when slightly wet . for now ,its staying as a driving putter
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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby cmrichar » Sat Mar 20, 2010 10:53 pm

Waddly Hobbins wrote:What is MVP disc's response to the opinion that the texture of top of the disc is too slick to be a pure putter.

I've been reading everyone's responses on this disc and it seems that I'm not the only one that feels that the top is very slick. The grip, while alright when dry, is very slippery when wet with sweat/rain, especially compared to base plastic of other companies.

The disc has amazing flight characteristics, glide, and can grab chains like no one's business, however, I think some people may keep it as a drive/ approach putter because of its slick grip. Is there a way to "rough up" the top of the disc to give it a tackier feel? Would changing the texture of the top change flight characteristics in any way?

I'm not trying to be harsh or anything. Love the disc, I'm only trying to give constructive criticism.

I can understand where you are coming from. As for the ION being molded in our premium plastic, it holds very similar/same characteristics of almost any other golf disc made in a premium plastic, such of that as Z, Champion, and many others. Of course, these premium plastics do have their advantages and disadvantages... and grip tends to be the biggie. When dry, our Proton plastic cores are extremely grippy as any premium plastic disc is. As long as I wipe them down with my towel when wet, they maintain their advantages in premium plastic.

However.... I will say that we are researching the possibilities of a potential baseline plastic. I do not want to make any broken promises, so I cannot guarantee anything, but its most certainly possible. There is no way I could give any time frames yet as we are right now about to run our medium plastic this next week we hope, and want to prototype with a few more combinations of things that I cannot say at this moment. After all that is accomplished, I do hope to have some baseline to experiment by then. This is something I am REALLY wanting to make happen, and will be making efforts put forth into doing so.

And no worries, constructive criticism is good! These are the things I need and want to hear! This helps us make decisions and prioritize what we need/want to do next!

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Re: The Official ION Putter Discussion Page

Postby riverboy » Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:31 am

When my ion gets wet from the snow I just wipe it off and grip is still fine. During non stop rain days though, it would be nice if the top could get textured. The bottom gripped fine even when I soaked it for a test. I guess my question is: Is there a possibility of using the same texture as the bottom as on the top? I still can't get over how effortless it is to push this putter out far.
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