Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

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Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Mike C » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:48 pm

I find my drives maxing out around 400. Wondering what I should try to get past this mark.

I took everything faster than a Firebird out of my bag at the suggestion of some people here.

I drive with various Wizards for anything under 300, up to 330 if the teepad has elevation. Buzz is used for 300-350, again longer if elevation is there (Use it for a 375ft anny drive with elevation for example). Can take the buzz out to 375 flatground but I find it difficult to control at that distance, I don't usually throw it for drives past 350-360 if it's flat ground. Use the fairway drivers for 350+ usually, sometimes 325-350 if it will hit a certain line better than my buzz would.

For drives long enough to grab something faster than a wizard or buzz, I'd say I use my 175g Star Leopard 50% of the time, 171g Star Teebird 35% of the time, and 175g Pro Firebird 15% of the time. I find I usually get the fairway drivers within 5 feet of the Firebird, so I usually stick to them, with the impression that maybe the Firebird is too fast for me or the heavy weight + overstability is making it fade too hard too soon compared to the lighter, more worn Teebird.

I can consistently line drive the fairway drivers straight for 375 feet. 400 feet I can do 85% of the time, still anny out once in a while with the Leopard at this distance and once in a while throw too nose up to hit 400 feet. But right here seems to be my max distance on the course, hitting lines.

I've been keeping very few discs in my bag and trying to concentrate primarily on technique and form than what disc I'm throwing. Keeping the nose down, clean release, strong snap and proper hyzer / anny angle. I've developed a lot of control but I still have trouble trying to park a 450 ft drive.

I typically just throw with a tiny bit of hyzer, so that the disc sits up flat, drifts slightly to the right, then fades down where I want it to. I'm happy with the control I've developed but I'm wanting to be able to hit 450 feet flat ground.

I'll try to get a video soon...
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Mason65 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:57 pm

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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby JHern » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:09 pm

I know you're trying to throw 450' with putters and all, but...also seems like you also use a lot of stable/overstable discs. I.e., I note the absence of a disc that is designed to continuously turn at high speed through a high apex (nose down) for max distance lines. If true, you might think about getting something more suitable for these kinds of lines...that in itself can add 50'. Ever try a Beast, or similar?
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby black udder » Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:54 pm

At your distance, you could probably add a faster driver (wraith or nuke, etc.) and be able to throw it properly. That might yield you some extra distance.

I'd propose that what you're lacking now is timing. If you get 375' on demand, then you've got enough of the basics down enough that it's onto the more advanced points to get more distance. I'm going to assume that because you're using teebirds and leopards, which would not behave that well with a lot of OAT or anhyzer release.

Check out the discussions on wrist extension and late hit. Dan talks about it and so does Bradley. They both have videos, study and see what they're doing. Could be that you're not doing one of those things or not doing it well enough to capitalize on it.
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Aaron_D » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:28 pm

Welcome to the stuck at 400 club. Ive been trying to build consistency over 400 for the past two years. I have tons of control up to 385ish but trying to push anything out farther is very hit or miss. I have days when I can control it up to 430 with freak drives going 450ish, but more often that not im sitting around 400 with everything from JLS's or Bosses. Im sure it would come faster if I had someone coaching me in person, but this plateau is a mega ultra bitch. I remember other plateaus that seemed insurmountable and knowing Ive passed through those motivates me to keep at it.
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby keltik » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:36 pm

well i'm just getting to this plateau here recently. This may actually be the 370' plateau Blake used to write about but it has shifted to 400' due to "technology". I don't think it's a bad plateau. I mean we are out throwing 90%+ of the DG populace. the other 10% can still hit trees too :twisted:.

I was playing today and chatted briefly with another player (he was bitching about the wind). I watched him throw a drive into a headwind and it turned over like hell and he said "yeah that was one of the most stable discs in my bag" and I said something like "what was it a Firebird?" and he said "naw it was a roadrunner" :shock:. I think if I don't ever max out farther than 420' I won't be too upset. I'm not a touring pro and I don't plan to be but I enjoy this game and I enjoy throwing farther than the average joe.
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Lithicon » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:07 pm

LOL, Keltik. I enjoy those moments, and I'm glad we all have them!

But, yeah the 400'club is growing in numbers actually. I'm sad to say I've decreased my distance as I can barely even get 400' anymore due to me being in the middle of a form change to try and overcome this plateau. Everything has suffered, so if and when you do change some of your form, be careful not to change too much at once, as you seem to have the major parts down. The rest seems to be fine tuning/tweaks in your timing. And, if you do change a lot, be prepared to suck it up for a while. I've been working almost every day in the field to reconstruct my accuracy within my new form. Working majorly on shaping lines again with the new form.

The Wrist Extension and late hit threads along with a few others could help you in the form catagory.
But, as JHern, and Black Udder said, don't be afraid to put those faster disc back in your bag if you can achieve those distances with the Teebirds and Leo's now. As he also said, those disc will put the pep-back in your step and give you some more notable distance since you're obviously throwing everything correctly for the most part. Wraith, Destroyer, Katana?, Force, and Nuke I'd say would be a good place to start looking for that extra distance at this point.
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby emiller3 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:58 pm

I'm stuck in the same spot. It helps to throw on windy days, play the wind and you can get up to 450' :) I threw my first 500' throw the other day, totally tailwind assisted. It was crazy.

I do hit 430' on the practice field, and it's always either with my Valks on a calm day, or with my Destroyers into a headwind. So I second the idea that your discs need to be turning and fading forward, any sideways fade and you're probably not going over 400'.

I also second the idea that controlled 400' of distance, for me throwing an Eagle or Destroyer on a flat line drive with no flip and a decent amount of fade, is nothing to laugh at, it gets you through just fine on most holes on most courses.

I'm stuck like Aaron, anything from Eagles to Destroyers all go 400' on a good rip. Shoot, I've even thrown my Meteors up to 380'. But, in the end, I throw those same distances on flex lines, line drives, hyzer flips...everything ends up about the same distance.

For me personally, I believe I'm not getting great late acceleration...I've never worked on the right pec drill. I also believe that my wrist extension is fleeting...those great rips that go 420' or even 450', I can feel my arm whip through because my timing is perfect, I get enough height, and I focus it all into the wrist extension, and the disc pops. I also tend to not get my weight forward, and everything goes back to being about 380' because I get the nose up some. My arm also gets a lot more sore...now that I'm consistently getting my weight forward, I must not be strong arming, because I just keep throwing and throwing and I'm not getting sore. So, like BU says, it may just be timing, playing with those and getting them all to work together...you get a couple throws where it works, and you just keep trying to emulate it. The knowledge you gain here really helps you to assess your throw and tweak things.

That being said, I was playing with a local Pro the other day, and he had 'it.' Call it smash factor or whatever, but his form sucked...it looked like he was throwing with the wrong hand. But when the disc left his hand, it just shot out like a cannon, and despite all his bad form and whatnot, he was easily outdistancing me. There are two Pros like that in town, and whenever I see them throw, I just realize that there is somethings secret about big D, and I still don't have it, and really haven't found how to get it.
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Mike C » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:25 pm

Mason65 wrote:Hows your putting?


Very good lately, been nailing some 40-70 footers which is always nice. Deuced a few longer holes for my first time this month too.

JHern wrote:I know you're trying to throw 450' with putters and all, but...also seems like you also use a lot of stable/overstable discs. I.e., I note the absence of a disc that is designed to continuously turn at high speed through a high apex (nose down) for max distance lines. If true, you might think about getting something more suitable for these kinds of lines...that in itself can add 50'. Ever try a Beast, or similar?


I don't try to throw my Wizards over 300 feet flat unless I'm playing a putter round. I've been trying to get my two birds and leopards to break 400. think that might be pushing what the leopard / teebird are designed for?

I've thrown beasts, wraiths, vikings and valks...didn't care for them that much, but I threw far worse than I did now. I have a nice heavier weight champ valk I've been meaning to take out and see what it does for me now, since getting so used to my Leopard. I also have a Destroyer that's nicely worn, a fresh Xcalibur and a Groove. Don't like how the wide wing feels so I rarely throw them, but when the weather clears I might field test all these drivers since it's been a while since I've messed with them. Also have an ESP Surge I enjoyed throwing but never got it much further than my FB. I think that'll go in my bag next time I play.

emiller3 wrote:I also second the idea that controlled 400' of distance, for me throwing an Eagle or Destroyer on a flat line drive with no flip and a decent amount of fade, is nothing to laugh at, it gets you through just fine on most holes on most courses.

For me personally, I believe I'm not getting great late acceleration...I've never worked on the right pec drill. I also believe that my wrist extension is fleeting...those great rips that go 420' or even 450', I can feel my arm whip through because my timing is perfect, I get enough height, and I focus it all into the wrist extension, and the disc pops. I also tend to not get my weight forward, and everything goes back to being about 380' because I get the nose up some. My arm also gets a lot more sore...now that I'm consistently getting my weight forward, I must not be strong arming, because I just keep throwing and throwing and I'm not getting sore. So, like BU says, it may just be timing, playing with those and getting them all to work together...you get a couple throws where it works, and you just keep trying to emulate it. The knowledge you gain here really helps you to assess your throw and tweak things.


I agree with the first part I quoted. I feel comfortable with my current skill level. I'm more concerned with working on putts and long approaches, and tuning accuracy across the board. But hearing about people throwing 500 feet makes me know I can do more with my game. I'm tall and muscular, I feel fully confident that once I learn the correct form I will be hitting 500 feet. If I end up being wrong, oh well, I have tons of fun as it is and that won't stop any time soon. But I do want to spend a day out trying to hit 450.

I think I'll check out the threads mentioned. Two things that I think I need to work on is getting a fully body rotation leading up to the throw and concentrating on generating power throughout my core, and pulling hard later in my throw. What's the consensus of when to let your full power rip? As late as possible? When your hand passes your right pec? Hell those threads probably have my answer....
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby masterbeato » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:40 pm

keltik wrote: I'm not a touring pro and I don't plan to be but I enjoy this game and I enjoy throwing farther than the average joe.


i am an avg. joe.....
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Lithicon » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:31 am

But, you're more than the average bear... :wink:
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby GunnerUnitas » Tue Mar 23, 2010 8:41 am

are you using the same controlled run up(x step/hop) for your distance throws as well?
W/o a vid its hard to diagnose.
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby keltik » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:44 am

masterbeato wrote:
keltik wrote: I'm not a touring pro and I don't plan to be but I enjoy this game and I enjoy throwing farther than the average joe.


i am an avg. joe.....


you're an average mutant :lol:
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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Timko » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:54 am

I average 400'.

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Re: Maxing out at ~400 ft...suggestions?

Postby Mike C » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:04 pm

GunnerUnitas wrote:are you using the same controlled run up(x step/hop) for your distance throws as well?
W/o a vid its hard to diagnose.


I use the x step, except with my back foot I step in front of my front foot rather than behind it. Just more comfortable with that method.

I'll make a video today if the rain clears up, later in the week if not.
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