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Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Smigles » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:12 am

Am I the only one thinking that we should can some of the rules we took over from ballgolf ?

For example, why the dresscode rule ? You need to wear a shirt with collar ? No ordinary t-shirts ? Why on earth would we need such a stupid rule ? What if you want to wear some real sports wear ? :?

I am sure that there are more rules like these which ( my impression on how they came into our rulebook ) just got copied from ballgolf without thinking much about wether we actualy need it or not.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 6:39 am

Ordinary T-shirts are not "real sports wear." Hi-tech sports wear like dry fit shirts with round necks are allowed. From the Competition Manual:

"Crew neck or V-neck shirts made of high-performance or high-tech materials, such as Dry-Fit, Cool-Max, and others will be allowed."

This is only in effect at NT and Major events not lower tiers. In addition, Ams an Jrs may wear regular t-shirts in the preliminary rounds at Majors.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Smigles » Mon Oct 04, 2010 7:57 am

It was in effect in Bern this weekend, which is a B tier tournament somewhere in the middle of nowhere in switzerland. I was pretty upset about it actualy. I wanted to play there, but i play DG for relaxing and i would never throw myself into a costume ( or buy a costume ) just to be accepted to a tournament.

What is the benefit of having regulations about what style of neck cut is allowed and what not ? Does it make you play better ? Arent there more important things to regulate ? I'd vote for deleting this rule.

edit: when i said "real sport shirt" i meant something like this : http://www.altimusonline.co.uk/images/M ... Claret.jpg

edit 2 : What's a crew neck ? this ? http://www.wspmf.org/images/apparel/wht_sport.jpg

edit 3 : What about wearing a Shirt with the right neck but a very offensive print on it ? If the neck shape is so important, they certainly have a rule about the print aswell ?
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:14 am

That's the difference between a tournament and casual play. A tournament has a higher profile and you are not there just for yourself but are representing the sport for any public or media to see. Pretty much a no-brainer that players should look decent in tournaments. And the dress code is only specified for the higher level events.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Smigles » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:27 am

I am sure the public will totaly notice if i wear a v neck or a normal neck. If they see me with a normal neck, they will certainly turn away in disgust and never think about this sport in the same way again.

Yes that was irony.

I mean it makes sence that you regulate some things about the appearance. I am sure that somebody wearing a tshirt with nudity or obscenity or animal porn printed on it would give the sport a bad image, same for racist stuff or nazi stuff, things like that. Or somebody playing without pants. But the cut of the neck is realy not necessary to be regulated IMO.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby zj1002 » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:39 am

You need to relax a little bit man

This rule usually only really applies to top end events which means usually only open players. Go buy some dry-fit shirts it feels much better than a regular t-shirt. I play in them even during casual rounds. The only time one of my tournaments talked of requiring dri-fit or collared shirts was the final 9 round, and even then there wasn't anyone saying "you can't play" because someone was wearing a regular t-shirt. adjust dude
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Smigles » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:53 am

zj1002 wrote: The only time one of my tournaments talked of requiring dri-fit or collared shirts was the final 9 round, and even then there wasn't anyone saying "you can't play" because someone was wearing a regular t-shirt.


Well, according to the rules they could ban you from the tournament for it. If it is not applied in practice that is yet another reason to get rid of the rule.

Also, i am asking normal questions here about a rule that i dont understand. Dont tell me to relax. Last time i checked it was still allowed to question rules. This subforum is called Rules discussion, so i think i am allowed to voice that i am not sure why we need this rule.

Could anyone please specify for a non native english speaker what a "crew neck" is ? I postet some links to pictures a few posts ago, can you please answer the questions about these ?
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:55 am

I am sure the public will totaly notice if i wear a v neck or a normal neck. If they see me with a normal neck, they will certainly turn away in disgust and never think about this sport in the same way again.

A "normal neck" collar is known as a "crew neck" collar which is allowed. I'm guessing it goes back to sailing days where the crew wore round collar shirts?
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Smigles » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:06 am

Oh, i didnt know that, thanks Chuck. That clears up the "crew neck" question ^^

I found this in the official rulebook

: (2) All players must wear a shirt covering their upper chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.

Seems like quite a few collar tipes are allowed. I'd need a picture of every one of them to check if i even have a shirt that would be PDGA approved. When i google these collar cuts, i get so many results showing so many different shapes that it is more confusing than helping. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collar_%28clothing%29 does not help that much either. Are there PDGA approved shirts available at PDGA tournaments that require you to wear them ?
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Chuck Kennedy » Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:16 am

Some tournaments have shirts but no players are required to wear them. The only event I can think of where a uniform style is required is the National Collegiate Championships wear players must wear matching outfits in school colors.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Frank Delicious » Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:56 pm

This is a very bizarre thing to be worked up about.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Jeronimo » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:31 pm

Frank Delicious wrote:This is a very bizarre thing to be worked up about.


Screw the man, man. Don't tell me to conform to your reasonable, respectable attire requirements!
I am dumb.

...and a drama queen.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Frank Delicious » Wed Oct 06, 2010 2:42 pm

Smigles, what type of shirt are you wearing that you are afraid you won't be allowed to play PDGA tourneys?

Also, if you play DG for relaxing maybe tourney play isn't for you.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Smigles » Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:33 pm

Frank Delicious wrote:Smigles, what type of shirt are you wearing that you are afraid you won't be allowed to play PDGA tourneys?

Also, if you play DG for relaxing maybe tourney play isn't for you.


Normal Tshirts like this one : http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak- ... 6353_n.jpg I dont see what's wrong with that.

I relax on tournaments aswell, but yes, i mostly go to tournaments to play other/new courses and meet people.
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Re: Ballgolf rules relics

Postby Frank Delicious » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:07 pm

people wear shirts like that to tourneys all the time and I don't see the big deal with wearing a nicer shirt if need be. It is not like shirts that pass the PDGA standards are uncomfortable or anything.
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