zj1002 wrote:1. Reach back was at about left shoulder(chest high), index finger off the rim. My wrist/hand feels very lose, yet i still maintain a solid grip with the other fingers. My basic grips are a fan grip and a modified 3 finger stacked power grip(index, middle, pinky on rim; ring stacked on pinky/middle)
2. usual x-step and pulled through as I ended the x-step. still kept index finger off the rim as I got the pull to my right pec.
3. tried to accelerate at the right pec, punching the elbow out out in front of me and focusing on keeping the nose down. this is where I start to feel the disc pivot, or it could just be a slip from not having the index finger.
4. as the elbow and wrist start to uncoil this is where I "pulled the trigger" and brought the index finger under the rim as hard as I could. in some cases I could feel the disc, pivot off my palm and other fingers(non-index/thumb), and then pivot again off my index as my wrist uncurled.
There were a few grip locks and sweeping flat hyzers that were definitely not intended. I do seem to have a bit more distance, but didn't get to a field before dark to see if that was true. The biggest difference was dead nuts accuracy when I clamped the index finger at the proper moment. This is basically allowing me to slow my shoulders down, get the nose down, and see my target before I am ripping it.
I could see myself having some issues if I don't time the "trigger" properly. I did not have any early releases or severe nose up shots, which had been a problem the past 3-4 months. I am not sure if this is something I will keep in my throw, but I think it can help me feel the weight of the disc and is a great learning tool.
I want to try this on some distance lines tomorrow. add a longer reach back, and drop my pull down below my chest to create some more leverage. hopefully I get some positive results
JR wrote:The index finger trigger pull motion has momentum going into the pinch so it has the potential to be stronger than a static grip. If the timing coincides with the added grip strength requirement. Grip locks from added pinch power or timing problems are definitely in the cards. This does not fall in the category of keep it simple On the other hand not throwing arm static gripping with the index finger under the wing gets the hand more down the standard finger on the rim. Partially from the size of the index finger not allowing the disc to stay down and partially from the tightening of the forearm muscles which shortens the muscles pulling up the wrist.
booter wrote:ima need u to show me this whats a zj
zj1002 wrote:booter wrote:ima need u to show me this whats a zj
I will, but I haven't quite gotten it down. still in experiment mode, but it crushes when I time it right. need to spend a couple days just drilling this into my throw. I have been tinkering with every part of my throw these past few days so it has messed with my timing a good deal.
I think I know why this type of grip works for me. When I posted a video of myself, JR compared my reach back to Chris Voigt. I reach back away from my body and the turn of my hips/torso/shoulders brings my arm tight to my right pec. JR said something(in my video critique) about the need to tighten the grip a little more at the hit point. I know I have always had a grip/pull that stayed tense the entire throw, so by the time I got to right pec I was losing power. This grip keeps me pretty loose and makes me focus on gripping tight at the end rather than the entire throw. I still think this technique is more useful as at training tool for learning when/where to punch the elbow out and then when to uncoil the elbow/wrist with that last second tight grip. This next week is devoted to ingraining this into my throw, planning a two hour session tomorrow morning. I will hopefully be getting nice daily detailed analysis. Possibility of a video or at least pictures of my grip.
I did some work with this grip today while using the Avery Jenkins thumb pressure and palm off disc. I liked the results, but I still need to work with it. going to work on it tomorrow as well.
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