keltik wrote:I think ZAM had the right idea.
dgdave wrote:Listen to ZAM.
i post things at facebook.com/PostIDjsun3thousand wrote:zam is already in your pants.
I'm not saying people can't be evil without religion, that would be absurd. I just find it hard to support any ideology that tells me that people aren't equally important because of either their race, age, nationality, sex, sexual preferences, religious views, age, that supports the spread of AIDS by denying some of the best ways (not perfect mind you) to help control it, that can't make it's mind up whether it is meant to love everyone equally or kill everyone that doesn't think like you do (and there are a lot of examples of this in all the Abrahamic religions, eg. Exodus 22:20), that says that the only reason I must do or not do things like eat pork or not do any work at all on Sundays (lest I be killed, Exodus 31:12-15) is that a single book tells me that if I disobey the all loving, all forgiving god will throw me to hell, that the only way I can be a good person of decent morals is if I accept the deity du jour as my personal savior.garublador wrote:So people can do good things without religion, but the bad things are all forced on people by religion. That's a really illogical argument.
Yes, exactly.Jerrod wrote:No the point is not that good stuff would happen regardless. The point is that religion is not needed for good things to happen. Good and bad (or evil) things will always happen regardless of religion or science. The problem with religion is that it provides an extremely convenient tool for people, especially uneducated people, to be manipulated into doing horrible things regardless of what the religion says.
Frank Delicious wrote:Yes please refer to the book The Science of Discworld II which deals with heavy insights into religion and how it intertwines with emergent societies through the use of time traveling wizards.
I think the wizards are an allegory
Check it out. I can change one word and use the same logic to say that religion is a good thing.Jerrod wrote:it provides an extremely convenient tool for people, especially uneducated people, to be manipulated into doing horrible things regardless of what the religion says.
It equally teaches people to do bad stuff, this is what I'm against.garublador wrote:Check it out. I can change one word and use the same logic to say that religion is a good thing.
It provides and extremely convenient tool for people, especially uneducated people, to be manipulated into doing compassionate things regardless of what the religion says.
Religion isn't required for anything to happen. Some people will be jerks and some will be awesome no matter what. Dumb people will follow jerks and awesome people no matter what. It's just not a logical argument. The only thing knocking that out of balance is that religion actually teaches people to do the good stuff.
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