Mr. Plow wrote:jubuttib is the only person who even quoted a religious text in an effort to make his point. The world is evil, period. It has nothing to do with religion. There are zealots in any belief system (including science based dogma. Al Gore anyone?) who misrepresent the message they purport to be promoting. Many of you are looking at these zealots as the true representatives of their "faith" or what have you, when clearly they are a small minority. It is akin to looking at the rash of drug related disc golf arrests and saying "all disc golfers smoke pot/sell drugs". We know this is not the case, but how would anyone else know this when it is all they hear about lately? This is the same thing you guys are doing.
The point about those quotations was that I can not in right mind support any group of people who support those kinds of views, even if most of the time it is only lip service. And the only point where I was talking about any believers per se was when I agreed that believers have done great things in 3rd world countries etc. Other than that I've been talking about (admittedly primarily Abrahamic) religions in the abstract. The zealots don't really interest me, they're not the point of any religion, and they do not represent a significant portion of believers (apart from a few sects). My beef is that at their core, even though they do a lot of good, most of the major religions harbor some very harmful, dare I say evil stuff. Us humans are perfectly capable of evil shit ourselves without the added authority of an omnipotent being telling us to kill each other. And it's not just limited to the natural bastards. I've met plenty of otherwise nice, sane, pleasant people who turn vile and hateful when (usually) atheism or homosexuality comes up. And their only arguments are "because god says so". I hate it. Yes, the world is evil. It's evil enough by itself that it can certainly do without the systematized hate of most religions, however minute they may be.
Mr. Plow wrote:Somewhere along the lines someone from Europe even cited fifth person hearsay from the US to make a point. Seriously?
2nd person hearsay, to be precise, from the victims to me. And I can quote 1st person experiences in Europe as well, doesn't have to be in the States.
Mr. Plow wrote:Until you spend some time at the local church/synagogue/temple etc. and really get to know the people there you are all just pretty much talking out of your @$$.
I actually did grow up in a (somewhat) religious family. And what I learned at different church functions was that 95% of the people didn't really give a damn. It was more a force of habit than anything else. Which does again raise the question of the futility of it all. The 5% that were more into it unfortunately harbored pretty much all the standard narrow-minded views you'd expect them to.