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Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby SirRaph » Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:38 pm

What sort of increase should someone expect when throwing a driver instead of a midrange?

I'm getting a bit frustrated. I throw Comets well, ie. I have pretty clean form.
I get a good snap on drives about 90% of the time. I get my Z and Glo Buzzzzes (178-180g) to 340-350 with great consistency. But I get Strikers, PDs, Orcs and Wraiths to about 370''. Is that a nose angle issue? Or is this normal?
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby keltik » Tue Feb 15, 2011 4:59 pm

yes it is a normal nose angle issue. and plus you are throwing a Buzzz for comparison, which has extra distance potential.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Jeronimo » Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:22 pm

Really?? 350' on your mids on level ground? That's a pretty hefty toss.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby keltik » Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:50 pm

350 with a Buzzz isn't unreasonable. 350 with a Roc is hefty.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby SirRaph » Tue Feb 15, 2011 7:19 pm

Jeronimo wrote:Really?? 350' on your mids on level ground? That's a pretty hefty toss.


Yeah, it's really only been the last week after spending some time on the range. Finally feel like I've got my armspeed up.
Our range is uphill maybe 10' from tee to 350'. And I'm consistently hitting 310' or so. Sometimes a bit further.

I guess I need to work on nose angle now.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby JR » Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:39 am

Leopards are pretty forgiving of nose angle issues so it should fly farther immediately. The drivers you mentioned do fade in some incarnations of different plastics anyway so even a PD which is more nose angle insensitive than other discs in that speed range will still fade if it heavy S-Line. Fewer PDs are laser straight than fading. You must be doing many things right to get a Buzzz that far. Nose angle seems a likely culprit. Try to push the hand down from the wrist at the end of the throw. Also don't raise the arm from the reach back to the hit. You could test your nose angles by throwing from a higher reach back to a lower hit. If you worm burn it is a good sign. If you get an airbounce it is very bad. If that happens you gotta slow down to approach power or less and start really concentrating on just the wrist being forced down when the hand snaps forward.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Redisculous » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:28 pm

Comets are also one of the most forgiving discs when it comes to nose angle.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Sean40474 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:27 am

Here I thought I Comet would help fix your form, this is one of my favorite discs to throw. What disc would you recommend to help with nose down issues? I think that is the reason that I'm not throwing 450' and over consistently.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby JR » Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:49 am

It might be difficult to jump in the deep end considering you already have and haven't had good results. That is why i would increase difficulty level incrementally only switching to more demanding discs after you've made forgiving drivers go well and far. In order of increasing difficulty: Leopard, PD, Flow, warp speeders if you can grip them comfortably.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Sean40474 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:16 pm

I've got a few Champ Leopards and PDs, but no Flow - I was thinking of getting one though. I do have several warp speed drivers, but I haven't been a fan because of the lack of control relative to a Gazelle or Teebird. I guess I know what I have to work on this summer in the faster speed drivers.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby biodarwin » Fri Feb 25, 2011 3:44 pm

Sean40474 wrote:Here I thought I Comet would help fix your form


It does in that it helps eliminate OAT, which is a big killer of accuracy and distance. If throwing the comet has not helped add distance to your drivers, progress to the Valkyrie. It is stable enough where it should not be too flippy with good form and is fast enough that it requires nose down to get good D.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Sean40474 » Sat Feb 26, 2011 4:11 pm

It has helped add distance for sure, but I think it is time to step up to the next level. I'll have to get a few Valks as I only have a max weight champ and a DX at the first stage of wear.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Dookville » Tue Mar 01, 2011 7:37 pm

The Lat 64 "Pain" has a similar feeling grip to the Buzzz, is a little more overstable, flies real flat with a nice LS fade that carries forward. The numbers on the Lat 64 "River" are much faster and with more glide. The stability is a little under the Buzzz, but I have found the Opto plastic to be more stable than the numbers indicate. The "River" just flat out glides forever and has a vary familiar grip to Buzzz. Would love to hear how far you can bust a River.
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby anubis080 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:18 am

keltik wrote:350 with a Buzzz isn't unreasonable. 350 with a Roc is hefty.


In the Quad Cities (iowa/illinois) there are 2 guys that park a 370 footer with rocs consistently. Craziness to watch :shock:

The farthest I've gotten a mid is with my ESP Hornet, which was 330'
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Re: Distance difference between mids and drivers

Postby Sean40474 » Wed Mar 02, 2011 11:29 pm

anubis080 wrote:
keltik wrote:350 with a Buzzz isn't unreasonable. 350 with a Roc is hefty.


In the Quad Cities (iowa/illinois) there are 2 guys that park a 370 footer with rocs consistently. Craziness to watch :shock:

The farthest I've gotten a mid is with my ESP Hornet, which was 330'


consistent 370' with a Roc is something I wouldn't mind having in my back pocket on demand.
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