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Be Brutal - I can take it

Postby jenb » Thu May 26, 2011 9:22 pm



Same drive technique, slo mo at 240 fps.



Slo mo again. Focused on rotating hips before opening shoulders.

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Re: Be Brutal - I can take it

Postby CatPredator » Thu May 26, 2011 10:34 pm

You appear to be struggling with the same thing that most people do. Strong arming or w/e you want to call it, you are pulling the disc through the whole shot, instead of swinging it in to the power zone and launching it out with your whole body. To work on the timing of getting the disc up to the power zone and really feeling the weight of the disc and the change in acceleration at the hit, you need to slow down the beginning of your shot, and speed up the end.

I guess I'll note that it looks like you understand the principle in your shot because you're delaying your shoulders opening as long as you can, but your disc/elbow doesn't get ahead of you and your elbow angle doesn't collapse much. Those things might be natural for a woman's throw, but I think you could still smooth out your shot and increase the efficiency and power potential by working on your timing and positions.
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Re: Be Brutal - I can take it

Postby JR » Fri May 27, 2011 4:20 am

You are well on your way already. Some guys here have posted dirtier form than you have. So even though i did like you asked and the list may seem long it ain't that bad at all. Don't get down we've all been where you're at. And relatively speaking you aren't that far behind the top players in form. If you can dedicate enough good field practice your form and results will be much better during this summer. You have a good arm in power and speed. Probably in controlling ability too. That is a great place to continue from. Keep up the good work!

The final step is too long because during that step you raise the whole leg toward the target from the hip joint. That left you weight back which resulted in the disc rising flying nose up and stalling eventually. The left arm swung far from the body in the reach back and it came close to the body in mid throw and stopped in place swinging back out in the follow through. Becoming extra weight for the legs, hips and shoulders to swing around. Slowing your turning like a drag anchor on a boat. If you could keep the arm moving at least at the same pace preferably faster than the body turn from torso pointed 90 degrees left of the target to follow through you'd relieve the legs, hips and shoulders from the burden of turning the weight of the left arm. Making you faster and throwing longer.

There is more power to be generated in twisting the hips to the left of neutral in the reach back and to the right of neutral close to the hit. The same goes for the shoulders turning right just with a later timing in the turning to the right so that the kinetic chain fires in sync. Legs first, hips and only then the shoulders. You reached back as far as you can with the shoulders and the arm -to the right of the tee pad viewed from back of the tee to front. That is increasing power but it will reduce accuracy and repeatability so it should not be used in control throws. Only with open area 100% power rips.

If you could look at yourself from above you'd see that the disc did not move in a straight line from back to front. Instead the disc remained at a fairly constant distance from the body moving in an arc made by the body turning. That is corrected by allowing the elbow to lead and bend into a tighter angle. An easy method for pulling in a straight line is to stand close to a wall trying to pull close to the body and not hitting the wall.

You are straining your body hard and losing power generation and repeatability with being too flat footed. You don't have to be a ballerina tip toeing but less sole to ground contact will help a lot. Considering your ankle issues you are best off rectifying as your first priority. From this perspective it is great that you don't point your right foot farther off of the target in the plant step. The angle you use is good for control drives but once you're more light footed you can generate lots more power by allowing the toe to point a lot more away from the target. At full force i plant heel pointed at the target. That will kill your leg in the first session if you have as much sole to ground contact as you did in these videos. So please _please_ fix the foot pivot first before you start to experiment with added angles. At your own risk of course.

For a flat shot your follow through step was a little too much to the right. A sign of being a little off balance. You should face 90 degrees right of the target with the torso and the left leg should be on the line from the right leg to the target. Any deviation from this means less generated power and accuracy. It ain't a major thing but significant anyway.

Your left heel dragged on and off the ground bouncing up and down. That comes from too much speed. That meant no kicking forward at full efficiency. Less weight transfer, weight back ans slower body turning meaning less power than you are capable of generating.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Be Brutal - I can take it

Postby jenb » Fri May 27, 2011 6:40 am

Thanks for the feedback. Dan Beato also commented on that lower video that I should "tuck that disc in tight through the armpit area."

I was wondering about timing of things and how to do that. Should I be trying to pull the disc into the armpit area at the same time I am trying to get my hips around without opening my shoulders? Is the goal to get in a postion so that my hips are open, my shoulders are closed, and the disc is in the armpit area, so that the outward motion of the disc starts at the same time as my shoulders start to open?
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Re: Be Brutal - I can take it

Postby JR » Fri May 27, 2011 7:17 am

The goal is to reach the right pec drill position. That is hips and shoulders neutral torso pointing 90 degrees left of the target with elbow several inches closer to the target than the right side. With the disc at the right pec area close to the body as long as you don't lock the elbow for injuries going too far. That is shoulder joint to elbow pointing straight at the target. You gotta be at least an inch short of that but for the sake of safety a little more short than an inch of upper arm straight at the target.

Once you are at the right pec position you start to turn the knees, hips and shoulders to the right and straighten the elbow and then the wrist snap and pinch and voilá!

The interesting timing thing is that to get to the right pec position you need to stay loose and not really use a lot of power at all. You have a free lunch from reaching back to the left of neutral coming almost on its own to hips and shoulders neutral. From there only minimal motion with minimal effort will bring the disc across the chest to the right pec.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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