Leaning forward, pulling down, torquing, these are all crutches.
Janne: Agreed for learning purposes. Not for throwing. I don't use all of them all the time. I don't wanna torque and in the beginning of my career I telegraphed properly because I released flat and followed through flat. My technique has evolved in my two years of playing with discs designed for discgolf. Two years before that I used beach discs
Talk about technique change. Back when I started to use proper discs I did not know what I was doing because I hadn't read any advice because I hadn't found any sites nor forums about disc golf. Then I didn't know about weight forward, hyzer, proper form pulling down you name it. I just did it. With original mold max weight Beast. Really beginner friendly -not! I learnt a lot about the flight of the disc as Blake suggests. Just not great results at first
From there I went to truly way overstable discs. Max really shows the difference between poor technique and good technique and I have a lot of other less overstable but still very overstable discs. The Max I bought for sidearm. Haven't had a Pred but threw a couple of drives with it and know that it is good for learning like you say.
I was beginner in the sense that everything was different compared to beach discs and I had precious little theoretical knowledge. In the beginning I was just shy of 200' with the Beast. Back then I experimented with all sorts of stuff including exactly how you describe. Learn't the lessons and moved to these crutches. Like Nate Doss uses on Discraft driving clinic or most if not all of the pros as well
This is no news for me but really helpful way of learning things for novices. No disagreement there.
Bradley: Remove the crutches and see what we got. The drill shows your TRUE release angle without manipulation, speed, torque, body position, or the disc being in the equation.
Janne: Good advice but not helpful to me since I know this already by not having the crutches initially. Small hands and short fingers really annoy me with wide rimmed drivers with power grip. That's why I've gotten more distance with two finger grip thatn power grip. Of course muscle tension is less and wrist movement larger with the two finger approach. With probably too little gripping power to prevent throwing to the right the discs slipped from my middle finger making nasty callouses. So obviously not enough strength with the fingers made worse by the awkward position and barely reaching around the rim with the index finger. Long story short I get too little TRUE nose down angle for distance lines, golf lines with discs that require a lot of nose down angle and have wide rims. Since the last parts usually (always?) come together you know how I feel.
Luckily(?) I've achieved so little distance lately with previous poor technique that I am confident that I can throw at least as far with a Storm that is the easiest disc that I have to get the nose down with. IIRC I get around 15-20 degrees nose down with the power grip by standing still and extending my hand like I've previously described. True nose down varies and I've often noticed that I've really had to wrestle the disc with my hand muscles to keep the nose down on hard drives that must stay low. And that was when I tried to throw nose parallel to the ground... Boy reading and asking around on this forum has helped me understanding a lot
Ok that piece I got from the articles but anyway.
Bradley: I am the Citysmasher, and as you can see, I got very little response on the PDGA Board. I believe this is due to the fact that very few people know what they are doing. They do it, but they do not have a clue HOW they are doing it. Due to this fact, I have decided to develop my own drills.
Janne: Still don't think I should be a PI
I hear you. I have the same way of responding to the problem. Ask here and develop your own stuff
I think that all of this is a result of how people mostly learn to throw. By asking someone else who says do this. Not explaining why something works because they learnt the same way. Somewhere down the line broken telephone effect hit and the teachings of the gurus that really know got blocked. Only the easy bit went forward. It is the quickest way to teach but has limitations. Like not having knowledgeable people in your area or not meeting one. This won't help in becoming a mainstream sport IMO.
In any case I've presented yet another crutch that should suffice for most needs :-^ It may not have the best possible grip strength for max D or golf D but hopefully enough to be useful for most holes and especially for fairway drives on huge holes. Possibly the stacked pinky and ring finger versions are enough for huge D as well. I won't know till I can get out there and throw. That's why I'm interested to see what kind of results others get if they try this and what kind of D they get. And how easy it is to keep the muscles loose and what that does to arm speed and snapping. And what the consistency is like. The previous advantages might be negated by inaccuracy for those that don't have enough power in their fingers. Waiting with interest if somebody tries these.
I certainly will try these grip variations because I wanna see the difference on wide rimmed discs for once thrown with loose muscles and enough nose down. Itching to throw and probably still 2 months away with my better hand. Might get around to throwing with my off hand in a couple of weeks. Can't wait for that either. Even though it is agony because I've thrown llike four times and yuuuuuuccckkk!!!! I realize the long term benfits though. Even though I have a helpful sidearm. On one hole I've thrown farther wtih sidearm than backhand.