Destin wrote:What do the new clear ones offer over the older not clear plastic ions? I currently carry 2 medium ions in my bag. One is the first one I got and it is understable. I love this disc for anything anhyzer from 200 or less, especially when I have to curve it around a tree. I've made quite a few 50' to 100' anhyzer shots with this disc and it would never leave my bad. My other medium ion is exactly like the other 2 I have that are not in my bag. It used to be my regular putter but recently I switched to the KC Pro Aviar for putts inside the circle and have been a little more consistent. Also I was getting too many putts that would hit above or below the chains that would bounce off and roll a ways from the basket. I still use it for straight or hyzer putts outside of 30'. I agree with the comment from Mike C that they seem to need more spin. When I putt from inside of 30', I put very little spin on it and when I get outside of 30', I put more spin on it. So back to my question, what will the clear ones give me that the old ones don't? Are they better to drive with? I had a Vector in my bag that I loved but once it got hot and humid here I took it out of my bag because I had grip/slip problems when the disc/my fingers were just the slightest bit wet. I feel like the clear plastic is the slickest of any plastic from any company so that would also detract me from getting a new one.
My understable medium Ion is my favorite too, and it will be my most thrown Ion for a long time to come simply because they have got progressively more HSS and I prefer a slight hyzer release. This Ion also needs less spin than the others and flattens from slight hyzer even inside the circle, so it's also my main putter. Its the same as when I putted with Wizards/Bangers/Magnets/Warlocks/ and Voodoos--I prefer to putt a seasoned putter. Once they all got a bit of high speed turn they all glided better and more effortless.
Compared to the old textured mediums, the new ones are more HSS. Before I got my new clear mediums I was using a new soft Ions for all hyzer holding shots. This was because the old mediums, even when brand new, would push from a hyzer (unless they had a sharp flash on the bottom). So now the new mediums will hold a hyzer nicely and still gide like mad. As far as your Vector issues, I just don't really get it. I live in the most humid place in the US and I have no issues. I carry a cloth bag with clay pellets that coats my hands in moisture absorbing dust, and most other serious golfers down here carry something to mitigate hand moisture. I can't throw ANY disc if my hand is the least bit wet (I have a somewhat unconventional grip that probably suffers worse in this regard than a normal power grip). I have 3 FR Vectors in my bag, and they see a lot of use without any slips. That being said, the FR Vectors are the stiffest plastic I've gotten from MVP, and usaully the stiffer the plastic, the slicker. The newer runs of Vectors are tackier, and the medium Ions are tackier yet. The disc still feels rigid overall, but there is a gummy layer on the surface of the disc that is really grippy. Here's where we are opposites---I feel like the new Ions are sticking to my hands too much in the humidity on putts, making releases feel weird. I use my old slicker one right now because I'm not used to the feel of the new ones yet. I have no problems driving the new ones though.
So to reiterate and answer your question, the new clear Ions are grippier, more HSS, have a touch more glide (especially at low speeds), and feel more refined. They do not feel like the FR Vectors much at all. I'm just about positive that anyone unfamiliar with the Ion would choose the new ones over the old ones every time.