7ontheline wrote:discspeed wrote:It makes sense that at 425' you are going to be throwing an Orc as far as anything else when height is unlimited. However, the faster discs help you get there on lower lines and cut the wind better on the course. The style of courses you play will dictate what you are better off using.
The Champ Orc I traded for is broken in as I'm getting the 425' on a slight hyzer flip line drive less than 20' high. The Orc slowly turns over holds for a second or two then fades back to the original line so basically ending straight. I'm just struggling a little to turn my newish Sword over but when I do I feel like its a few degrees anny for a s-curve and presto 425'. However, too much hyzer and there's a hard fade way left or too much anny and I lose D because the s-curve is so wide or occasionally turn and burn it. My Z Nuke has to have all kinds of big high sweeping s-curve room to get 425'... not my favorite shot also no chance of me turning the Nuke over into the ground on a lower line.
I was throwing a Katana for Max D so perhaps my form would be better with a King as opposed to beating in my Sword to less HSS. I'm willing to work on my technique for better D as the Katana lost a lot of distance making its sweeping turn, was hard to control when thrown really hard or into a heady, and the rim is wider than the Sword. I'll search King and read up on it.
Half hitter here trying to buy a better game instead of going to the field to work things out...JR wrote:Kings vary. My 165 has 1 mm lower outer edge and is 1 mm thinner all from the dome height i think than my 169. Totally different flights. 165 flips a lot and 169 likes flat releases or even a little anny.
Discspeed, does Clearwater have any lower weight Swords with a lower PLH and thinner similiar to the difference JR found in his 165 King flipper?
Thanks to all.
Today I went and played with my new 175 VIP Sword since I just lost the one I've been throwing for about 7 weeks. Even though it's completely deflashed, the new Sword is MUCH more stable than the one I had been using. I'm not sure how, but these discs break in fast for me. I did put some decent hits on my old Sword, but I'm surprised by how fast it got flippy. Until I broke this new one out I did remember when my Sword was much more stable, but I thought it might be the fact that I've been playing more lately or something. It's totally not me...The Sword breaks in really fast in VIP plastic. Hopefully I will know over the next few months if they break in and hold the stability, or keep getting flippier.
So for your case I would recommend that you just take a little time to break in a new Sword. It will give up the stability and be what you want before long. For reference, the Orc is one of my favorite drivers of all time and the first I broke 400' with (back in '04). It was the first that I did a lot of field work and I compare everything to them. The line you describe above is also how I like to throw distance (from a shallow hyzer angle). Any rim wider than the Orc has a smaller window of forgiveness in terms of how much hyzer is too much to totally ruin your intended line. That being said, I think the Sword is very forgiving if you compare to similar rimmed discs, and I would compare it to the Orc flightwise, it just does so at half the height.
Currently we do have a lot of the orange colorshift VIP Swords(lower PLH than the cobalt blues) in the upper 160s. I'll have to wait until I'm in the store to give you more specifics. I'll let you know via PM.
Okay it was more than a little low but I'm pretty sure my 7/10 Z Nuke wouldn't have hit the ground to the right. 
The big lightbulb for me was I'm finally 
