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Ye olde jump putt

Postby veganray » Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:52 pm

Saw this pic on FB of top female pro Sarah Hokom. 100% stance violation. How does the "nobody would ever release their jump put after taking off because all the power from jumping is generated during the acceleration; once you're off the ground you are decelerating; the quarter inch closer you get to the basket (sic - it actually looks like she's at least a foot closer) will not make up for the loss of power and control you get being in contact with the ground when you release" crowd react to this?
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby warobert » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:36 pm

Stroke her
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby veganray » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:39 pm

warobert wrote:Stroking myself

FTFY
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Jeronimo » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:47 pm

A. Are you sure those two discs on the ground are her lie?
B. Is that disc even still in her hand in that image??
C. (Assuming A is true) She's gained what? ...2 inches max forward? Is that really such an advantage?

Whatever, stroke her. (or yourself)
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Apothecary » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:59 pm

OVER THE LINE@!!!

Though without photo proof on hand at time of the call i doubt youd get a second.
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby veganray » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:03 pm

I'm less concerned about the actual instance than with debunking the ridiculous school of thought: "nobody would ever release their jump put after taking off because all the power from jumping is generated during the acceleration / once you're off the ground you are decelerating / the foot closer you get to the basket will not make up for the loss of power and control you get being in contact with the ground when you release".

Here's the #5 rated player in the world doing exactly what some clever pundits claim NOBODY could ever gain an advantage by doing. Are they wrong, or is she hosing herself? (Pics, please, if the latter!)
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Leopard » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:15 pm

Jump putters suck at rules.

This coming from a very legal walk-through putter.
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Jeronimo » Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:09 pm

To answer Vegan: Maybe she blundered and her timing was off in the jump? It's happend to me before. My legs, torso and arms don't communicate and I look like a flailing rag doll with a disc in my hand as I "jump"... I wouldn't call this conclusive evidence against the argument. If it were video it would probably be a much easier matter to discuss.

Personally, I don't care because I'd rather see the rule say "the disc must leave your hand before your next body part touches the ground ahead of your lie on ANY throw." I really couldn't care less if we saw some MJ style dunk putts as a result of this either.
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby JR » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:58 am

I'm also debunking this claim based on personally failing the same way, when i was tired and couldn't punch the arm forward as fast as i thought i could. I was certainly airborne with the disc in my hand. I have been given a warning for doing that. At the Finnish Open 2010 dubs i practiced timing of jump putting in front of lcgm8 with whom i played and him if my jump putts were legal. Because i know this problem surfaces, when i'm tired and we were tired before we arrived at the course.
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby 7ontheline » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:56 am

That pic doesn't look too different from the video JR recently posted of Feldy's putt on hole #8 of the EO 2011 Rd. 2 part 2 at the 4:49 mark. Also watch Paul McBeth at 5:05 8)

http://www.youtube.com/user/lcgm8#p/u/0/yKyr7AJqTao

I agree with VR's point of power while pushing off. I don't see any baseball pitchers that don't push off the rubber, football QBs throw further pushing off their back foot while striding forward, and most basketball players are better shooting a free throw from a set shot or shooting a set shot vs. a jumpshot (unless its from further out and reqires more power but in my experience still in contact with the ground at time of release).

Sarah Hokom could just be a poser ...in that pic. I think the angle is bad and she's already released the disc with a lot of touch spin plus her follow through is forward due to her jump. She'd call a stroke on herself if she hadn't done it correctly, right?
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Dogma » Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:58 am

Obviously she just didn't throw it very hard and her body caught up with the disc in the air. Happens to me all the time. I get to the basket before my disc does on probably 60% of my putts.
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby 7ontheline » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:09 pm

jab connects squarely on the chin as clearly i'm the poser

cheat to win much?
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Dogma » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:18 pm

:wink:
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby Bombmk » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:57 am

I would think that it is more or less impossible to release before you lose contact with the ground on a jump putt. Or pretty damn hard and detrimental to the point of doing it.
You would have to extend your arm and finish the throwing motion and THEN come through with the jump. I am not an expert on kinetics and/or human physiology - but that seems to me it would lead to an extremely messed up movement of the body.

To me its like dropping one end of a slinky and then let go of the other end at the moment the slinky extends completely. The front end will lose its momentum until the back end catches up. Weird movement for the human body.
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Re: Ye olde jump putt

Postby JHern » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:57 pm

I could ask her, if you guys wanted to hear from her directly...

Anyways, she is damn good at jump putting. I've seen her nail some real hair-raisers, such as running the basket from 70 ft uphill with a 500 ft cliff behind...bam, in the chains!
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