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Mark Ellis wrote:What is so compelling about a round? Can someone explain this to me?
Mark Ellis wrote:There were 4 of us at Independence Lake Park ( Whitmore Lake, MI), 3 Pros and 1 Am3. We were trying to devise a game and due to time constraints we decided to play the short pads and singles.
I proposed we offer the AM player a mulligan each hole. He declined, saying that from the short pads he should be able to hang with the group. We scoffed but he said he could reach the holes so he didn't need a spot.
Well, of course, he was wrong and got crushed. The biggest difference between Pros and Ams scoring is not based on power (though there is often a noticeable difference), it is control and putting.
It is not uncommon for a weaker player to decline a spot. This is usually a mistake for the whole group including the better player(s) as it diminishes the competitiveness of the round.
If I am playing an Am level player, I expect to win so I am playing under little pressure. But playing under low pressure in practice will not help me under the pressure of a tournament as they are different worlds. Nor does it help the AM player much. They expect to lose and if they get behind early (the norm) the match won't even be close.
isobar wrote:I agree with Money, when you are playing with a mulligan, it takes a lot of the pressure off of each shot, because you know you always have a backup shot to fall back on if you screw up. So while it might make the round more competitive, in the long run it hurts the AM more than it helps them.
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Mark Ellis wrote:isobar wrote:I agree with Money, when you are playing with a mulligan, it takes a lot of the pressure off of each shot, because you know you always have a backup shot to fall back on if you screw up. So while it might make the round more competitive, in the long run it hurts the AM more than it helps them.
Sorry, you guys are finding irrelevant distinctions. A spot is a spot no matter the form it takes.
There is no tangible difference between mulligans or any other kind of spot given to the weaker players. Players with experience in equalizing games (where spots are given) will soon realize there is NO DIFFERENCE in the kind of spots, only the degree of advantage given.
So if a player is given a 6 stroke advantage in a round it is the rough equivalent of 5 to 8 mulligans (depending on the kind of course and how wisely the mulligan are used). A smart player given strokes off their score will play more conservatively, knowing that mere pars are sufficient until their opponent proves they can consistently make deuces against them. A smart player given mulligans will use them only when doing so takes a stroke off their score.
What is very valuable to the weaker player is to observe how a better player plays under pressure. In a heads up game (no spots given) the stronger player never has to pull out their "A" game. The stronger player can coast, secure in the knowledge the weaker player will make mistakes or, if not, the stronger player will pull off the victory in the end with superior skills. BUT, if the stronger player has to give spots then they are under the pressure to perform. That equalization also helps the weaker player, placing them in a position where their shots at the end will give them a victory or a defeat.
When the stronger player has no pressure it is no matter that they hit fine shots. It is like putting great in practice. It is irrelevant. Who cares? It is like emptying your bag time after time on a short, easy hole and celebrating an ace on the 50th drive. Any shot made without pressure doesn't matter. That is why Pros can play like GODS against AMs then play like MORTALS against other Pros. Pressure matters.
A player who is starting to compete in leagues or tournaments has no experience to rely upon. The first time they find themselves in the lead group during a final round they will be under a kind of pressure they aren't ready for-unless- they have been practicing under pressure.
What is hugely beneficial is to have a putt on the last hole which will either win or lose the match. Every game I devise is geared to make that ONE CRITICAL PUTT possible at the end of the round, if everyone plays up to their skills. I always hope that I can play a superb round to get to the last putt tied and the putt falls on my shoulders (and I make the putt, of course). To do that some kind of equalization is needed when the skill levels of the group vary.
Every good game will allow a player to develop good shots AND perform under pressure commensurate with their skill.
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