FTT's (slower) bag project

[JR]

The FB should be shorter, because it is slower and fades earlier and harder. There is a reason, why the top piece of the PD is called the anhyzer top.

[Fightingthetide]

The FB should be shorter, because it is slower and fades earlier and harder. There is a reason, why the top piece of the PD is called the anhyzer top.

Gotcha. I'll give it another shot for forehand D, but I don't know if that's exactly what I want in my bag right now.

I've read that some guys like to have 2 discs, one faster and one slower, in the very overstable slot. The obvious candidates are Firebird, XXX, Predator...anyone think there's a need for one of these pigs next to my Banshee?

[JR]

FB and XXX would overlap a lot with the Banshee, because the distances aren't that different between those. Pred is longer, but still not a very long disc. If you want long and OS think Z Force. Yes it is fast, but it won't overlap with the Banshee. And Forces are great into headwinds on longer distances BH and FH.

[Fightingthetide]

FB and XXX would overlap a lot with the Banshee, because the distances aren't that different between those. Pred is longer, but still not a very long disc. If you want long and OS think Z Force. Yes it is fast, but it won't overlap with the Banshee. And Forces are great into headwinds on longer distances BH and FH.

Well good thing I found a 174 Z Force in a creek the other day. The guy hasn't called me back, so I'll give it a try.

[Fightingthetide]

Well, the guy who owns the Force called me. It wont be making it into the bag after all. But on a brighter note, I got my EX's today! Now I know why people say they are workable. With these birds in the bag, I feel comfortable with my very overstable, overstable, and stable control slots.

The only thing I am wondering about is whether to pick up an understable driver that can take more power than my Leopards, but will be less touchy than my Archon. Any suggestions?

[Crosseyed0811]

I'm looking to try the avenger ss in that slot myself...

[Fightingthetide]

I'm looking to try the avenger ss in that slot myself...

Have you picked one up yet?

The main thing I want is an understable driver that can handle some power and will be workable on different lines. Also one that I can get in 2 plastics and/or weights to compliment each other.

I'm eyeing an Avenger/Avenger SS combo.

[Crosseyed0811]

I USED to have 2, a FLX and a Pro-D. They were pretty straight for me then and probably the longest disc in my bag when I had them. I think I was hyzerflipping them not realizing it though. Looking for one in my weight range now. Avoiding the FLX as well since people are saying they don't break in well at all. Probably going to get a Pro-D first to give it a shot, and if it sticks I'll get a Z as that one breaks in.

[Fightingthetide]

Just saw this...but what about a Surge/Surge SS combo? Seems like it might be an easier-to-throw Avenger. However, the Surge SS doesnt seem like it would fit the bill of a true understable disc.

EDIT: It seems odd that the Surge SS isn't a true understable disc like the Avenger SS. Because of this, I think I might try to pick up an Avenger and Avenger SS. It seems like my Eagle's and Leopards would fit in nicely between the two as far as distance and flight goes.

Max D - Archon...but I might soon try an Astra

Overstable D - Avenger
Understable D - Avenger SS

Fairway Duties - Banshee, Eagle-X (Champ/Star/DX) and Leopard (Champ/Pro)

Bueno?

[Crosseyed0811]

Personally I'm looking at just the SS to go as an understable pair with either a Teebird or an Eagle-X (probably Eagle-X as I'm leaning on my flicks a little more again). Joe's lists it in the same distance category. I was wanting to do this because I didn't see quite the distance difference in the MD2/Axis mids and a Leo. Even Barry Schultz talked about his leos not being much longer discs than his Rocs, and an MD2/Axis just makes that worse IMO. I just picked up a Z Avenger SS online and can't wait to see how it does. Not sure why I ever got rid of mine, the ProD one I had was a little too heavy for me but the FLX was my longest golf line disc and very controlable for me.


BTW: took me about a minute to sort out your "Favorite Disc" lol

[Fightingthetide]

Personally I'm looking at just the SS to go as an understable pair with either a Teebird or an Eagle-X (probably Eagle-X as I'm leaning on my flicks a little more again). Joe's lists it in the same distance category. I was wanting to do this because I didn't see quite the distance difference in the MD2/Axis mids and a Leo. Even Barry Schultz talked about his leos not being much longer discs than his Rocs, and an MD2/Axis just makes that worse IMO. I just picked up a Z Avenger SS online and can't wait to see how it does. Not sure why I ever got rid of mine, the ProD one I had was a little too heavy for me but the FLX was my longest golf line disc and very controlable for me.


BTW: took me about a minute to sort out your "Favorite Disc" lol

Haha yeah, I can't say I have a favorite disc. If it flies right (rather, if I make it fly right), it's my favorite disc. Check out my new riddle

Well, after all the deliberating this morning, I went by a shop during a break in work and messed around with a few Surges and Avengers. Both felt like way too much of a disc for what I am looking for, and they didn't have any lighter ones. So I decided to keep my flat FR C PD in the bag for strong headwinds and forehand distance, and I bought a somewhat pearly, orange 168 Champ Valk with a nice moderate dome. I figure that leaves me in a good spot:

EDIT - took out the FR C PD to make room (eventually) for a Champ Archon. It's just too similar to my Banshee (but it is more workable).

Distance:
166 Star Archon - max D and tailwind/uphill shots
168 Champ Valk - moderate dome, overall distance driver

Fairway:
173 Champ Banshee - Very Overstable, thumbers, etc.
170 Champ Eagle-X - Overstable, forehand and some headwinds
167 Star Eagle-X - Stable Control, overall fairway duties
166 DX Eagle-X - Stable Control, seasoning, might start a rotation
173 Champ Leopard - Understable, for fairway shots that need some understable workability
171 Pro Leopard - Understable, seasoning, right turns from flat, or hyzerflips

Midrange:
177 Vector - stable mid, predictable fade
178 Axis - neutral mid, gliiiiide
177 GL Fuse - its like my Axis, but with less HSS

Putters:
172 Ion - Approach
170 Ion - Putting

[Fightingthetide]

My DX Eagle-x is starting to season to the point where it holds a turnover to the ground, even uphill. Does anyone else throw a rotation of DX EX's in the understable fairway slot?

I also might add in my seasoned 168 Star TL. It's a sweet disc for tunnel shots that don't seem to work well with my EX's. If I end up liking it next to my Eagles, I might just grab one of the champ TL's once they arrive in stores.

So...Champ/Star Eagle-x, Champ/Star TL, DX Eagle-X - anyone tried this? I know some people love the TL/Leo combo, but im wondering if this would work for the reasons listed above.

[Crosseyed0811]

I think a good many Eagle-X throwers use them for all the fairway duties. That's one of the big draws for them that they beat in to cover everything from moderately overstable to roller...

[Fightingthetide]

I think a good many Eagle-X throwers use them for all the fairway duties. That's one of the big draws for them that they beat in to cover everything from moderately overstable to roller...

I might give that a shot once my first DX Eagle breaks in to be a true understable driver.

[Fightingthetide]

Traded my champ leo for a cfr TL, and bought a 8/10 168 Pro Destruclan for 5 bucks! Never been more excited about a warp-speed driver!

Also, found a 174 Z Force that is really seasoned, and a new Opto Flow (not sure of the weight) on the same hole. Neither owner wants them back.

Annnnd I bought a DGA Elite Shield Bag today. So hooray for moving up past 12 discs in the bag!

I know this ISN'T what I will be sticking with, but here's what I'm testing out.

Distance:
174 Z Force - overstable max D?
168 Pro Destrulcan - understable max D? and did I mention that it's Greenbay Packers yellow and green?
Opto Flow - stable control D?
166 Star Archon - understable D

Fairway:
168 Champ Valk+ - Distance
173 Champ Banshee - Very Overstable
170 Champ Eagle-X - Overstable
167 Star Eagle-X - Stable Control
166 DX Eagle-X - Understable Control
171 CFR TL - Tunnel Shots
168 Star TL - Tunnel Shots
171 Pro Leopard - Understable - soon to be replaced with a rotation of seasoned DX Eagle-x's???

Midrange:
177 Vector - stable mid
178 Z Buzzz - power mid
178 Axis - neutral mid
177 GL Fuse - understable, relatively more stable Fuse
177 GL Fuse - understable, less stable
147 DX Shark - understable utility mid

Putters:
162 DX Polecat - touch putts and trouble putts
172 Ion - Approach
170 Ion - Putting

Thinking about adding:
175 Champ Rhyno
175 Opto XXX
DX Eagle-x rotation