FTT's (slower) bag project

[Fightingthetide]

I'm looking for suggestions to help me drop my mold count.

Found a local retailer with a Fade Tourney Bag after being highly disapointed with the DGA Shield. Played a 880ish rated round today with this setup at Hornets Nest. Really pleased with the bag, but I need to do some mold-dropping. So other than that, I think I have landed on a bag setup.

Drivers:
174 Z Force - Forehand distance, headwind distance
168 Pro Destrulcan - Flies like a faster TL for me, somewhat neutral if you keep it low
??? Opto Flow - Understable D, flips a little, very predictable fade, tons of glide! Turns much more than anticipated.
175 FR C PD - Thumbers, etc. and workable forehand distance

Probably going to focus my driver slots on the Flow so I can drop the mold count here. I would like to keep the Force and C PD, but not married to them.


Fairway:
173 Champ Banshee - More of a backup to the FR C PD - slower and does the same stuff
170 Champ Eagle-x - Forehand and some mild headwinds
167 Star Eagle-x - Stable control, workable fairway shots
166 DX Eagle-x - Same as the Star EX, but on less power
171 Champ TL - CFR (not +mold), not used much, neutral flight with predictable fade
168 Star TL - Lost some HSS, holds the line you put it on, like a slower, more predictable roadrunner for me
171 Pro Leopard - Hyzerflips, understable duties

Really like my options here with the EX/TL combo. The EX gets most of the fairway action.


Mids:
179 Vector - Overstable mid, but overlaps with my Rhyno unless I really put some heat on it
178 Z Buzzz - Midrange shots that need more heat than my Axis likes to handle
178 Axis - Midrange shots that need less power and straight flight
177 GL Fuse - Backup to the next Fuse, more stable
177 GL Fuse - Turnover midrange shots
147 DX Shark - Utility mid, goes realllly far on very little power...love this disc

Not sure what to do here. I have too many molds. I want to keep the Shark for it's niche shots, but other than that, I would love to find 2 other molds to fill all of these slots. Suggestions?


Putters:
175 Champ Rhyno - Overstable duties, main approach disc
172 M Ion - Driving putter
170 M Ion - Putting duties
162 DX Polecat - Touch putter for niche shots

I think I found what I needed here. All of my putting shots are covered.

[Trey133]

I'm looking for suggestions to help me drop my mold count.

Found a local retailer with a Fade Tourney Bag after being highly disapointed with the DGA Shield. Played a 880ish rated round today with this setup at Hornets Nest. Really pleased with the bag, but I need to do some mold-dropping. So other than that, I think I have landed on a bag setup.

Drivers:
174 Z Force - Forehand distance, headwind distance
168 Pro Destrulcan - Flies like a faster TL for me, somewhat neutral if you keep it low
??? Opto Flow - Understable D, flips a little, very predictable fade, tons of glide! Turns much more than anticipated.
175 FR C PD - Thumbers, etc. and workable forehand distance

Just some thoughts here. It looks to me like you have 2 more stable discs, and 2 neutral discs but 4 molds. If you are more comfortable with the Force, you can definitely find a flippy force as well for more neutral shots. The same can be said with the Destrulcan. You could substitute a S/DS Destroyer for the force and have your overstable slot covered by 1 mold that you can continue to learn and love. If you are truly comfortable with it, keep the C PD as it is a utility disc. The reason I'm not mentioning the flow is that I'm not entirely familiar with it and haven't thrown it. One thing I might suggest is to step the drivers down a speed or 2. Maybe attempt a lighter pro wraith with a heavy star wraith. The wraith was my first bid distance driver and holds a special spot in my heart.

Probably going to focus my driver slots on the Flow so I can drop the mold count here. I would like to keep the Force and C PD, but not married to them.


Fairway:
173 Champ Banshee - More of a backup to the FR C PD - slower and does the same stuff
170 Champ Eagle-x - Forehand and some mild headwinds
167 Star Eagle-x - Stable control, workable fairway shots
166 DX Eagle-x - Same as the Star EX, but on less power
171 Champ TL - CFR (not +mold), not used much, neutral flight with predictable fade
168 Star TL - Lost some HSS, holds the line you put it on, like a slower, more predictable roadrunner for me
171 Pro Leopard - Hyzerflips, understable duties

Regarding the Banshee, I also use a Firebird to compliment my CPD so I don't blame you there. Your Eagle X combo w/ the TL's sounds cool! Good flat CFR TL's start out nice and stable so you can have a really workable line around those 2 fairway drivers. Eventually I feel like you might be able to phase the leopard out but I understand the need for a good understable disc. The core of your lineup EX TL sounds good.

Really like my options here with the EX/TL combo. The EX gets most of the fairway action.


Mids:
179 Vector - Overstable mid, but overlaps with my Rhyno unless I really put some heat on it
178 Z Buzzz - Midrange shots that need more heat than my Axis likes to handle
178 Axis - Midrange shots that need less power and straight flight
177 GL Fuse - Backup to the next Fuse, more stable
177 GL Fuse - Turnover midrange shots
147 DX Shark - Utility mid, goes realllly far on very little power...love this disc

Lot of premium plastic I'm spotting here. The discraft guys are able to pull this off because they have such awesome levels of stability in their mids. I personally feel like you gotta get some DX, X, Dline plastic in your lineup. You need to find a disc and work with it through it's various stages of stability. If you're loving the fuse, keep it as your neutral to understable mid. Keep your utility guy there, and really make a call on your stable/overstable mid slot. I would recommend a Roc and just watch it as it moves through its different stages of wear. This will be more of a learning experience than anything. I'll elaborate on this moreso once we can meet up and catch a round.

Not sure what to do here. I have too many molds. I want to keep the Shark for it's niche shots, but other than that, I would love to find 2 other molds to fill all of these slots. Suggestions?


Putters:
175 Champ Rhyno - Overstable duties, main approach disc
172 M Ion - Driving putter
170 M Ion - Putting duties
162 DX Polecat - Touch putter for niche shots

I don't see anything wrong here. I usually keep 2 of the same putter at equal stages of wear. Its a mental thing for me. I also keep 2 of the same driving putter for the same reason. Again I am a fan of Mids and Putters in base plastic so you can see them change. Maybe pick up some heavy wizards (they would match your IONs kinda) and use them to watch them change over time.

I think I found what I needed here. All of my putting shots are covered.

All in all, you are still learning and beginning to favor some specific molds in your bag. As you continue to trust those molds, you'll eventually find more stable and more flippy versions of them here and there. Thats how you get a tried and true bag in my opinion. Throwing every different stage of wear of the disc you love.

[Fightingthetide]

Thanks Trey. I shot you a message a minute ago before I saw this. Here is the rundown of what I am thinking:

Drivers:
-Keep the Force and Destrulcan in there for Overstable D and Max D respectively
-Drop the Flow, and keep the C PD for utility
-Once the Force get's too thrashed, switch to Destroyers or Wraiths for all driver slots (with one utility mold)

Fairway:
-Pro Leo will phase out once the DX EX breaks in further, and at that point I'll start a DX EX rotation

Mids:
-I ordered an opaque pinkish 180 C MD2, a 174 P MD2, and a 175 CFR Gator
-I'll keep the Fuses in there until the P MD2 becomes understable (which I expect to take a while)
-With this in mind, do I still need to try more base-line plastic?

Putters:
-With no disc money right now, I'll stick to the Ion's, but might consider switching to a base plastic mold while keeping the Champ Rhyno

[Trey133]

I think your head's in the right place! Can't wait to catch a round with ya!

[Fightingthetide]

Lost my 167 Star Eagle-x in some thick mess today. Went by PIAS and found a seasoned 169 Star EX to replace it, and a 175 Star EX to compliment my EX stash. I also picked up a seasoned 173 Star Destroyer. It's a bottom stamp with a low PLH and gradual dome (not pop-top, but still plenty of dome). Also, dropped Fuses because of how well my P MD2 handles turnover lines.

So after slimming down my molds...

Distance - Destroyer/PD
Fairway - Eagle-x/TL
Mid - Gator/MD2
Putt - Rhyno/Ion
Utility - Banshee/Polecat

[Fightingthetide]

Update on the bag. Shot a pretty good round today. (+3 at the Angry Beaver for those who know the course...which is my best round out there yet...and I don't expect that to happen too often).

Max D: ~400' with the 168 Pro Destrulcan - it's taken a few good hits and is starting to flip really predictably for me
Control D: ~380 with my seasoned 173 Star Destroyer
Golf D: ~350' with the destroyer combo, ~325' with the EX's and TL's

I'm really enjoying my flat FR C PD in strong headwinds and the 2 Destroyers in my bag have really helped me gain D while retaining accuracy. Also, I find that I love having the TL's in there with the EX's for times when the fairway is tight. The EX's start to turn right much sooner on a turnover line, but the TL's turns later and fade softer. I'm loving Eagle's as my staple driver. As for mids, I bought a pink, opaque 180 C MD2 and flattened my 174 P MD2, and picked up a 175 CFR Gator. I love this combo. Lastly, I bought a 170 Pro Rhyno to compliment my 175 Champ Rhyno. Thinking about trying the Pro Rhyno out for putting duties and keeping the Ions for drives.

That's it for now. Glad I could get outside when its 75 (F) and sunny.

[Fightingthetide]

I bought a new 170 Pro Rhyno for about 20 bones shipped, and a friend who doesn't play any more is giving me a seasoned 166 Pro Rhyno, so I think I'm gonna be using them (and my 175 Champ Rhyno) for most of my putting and approach duties.

Not sure what to pair them with. I feel like my Ions are too stable to be a good compliment...or am I wrong there? I'm thinking about picking up P P1's and/or D P2's to go along with them. Any thoughts?

[Crosseyed0811]

If you've never thrown a star wedge you should try it...

[Fightingthetide]

I'll give one a toss if someone gives me one to borrow or try for a round.

[Fightingthetide]

Posted my first video in the critique section - http://www.discgolfreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=23693

[Fightingthetide]

I got some good feedback on my video. I know a few things I need to work on are getting my plant step further than my first, getting into more of an athletic stance while staying relaxed, pulling into the power pocket rather than strong arming around my body, and thus increase snap.

Would base plastic putters be a good start for drills and working on form?


Oh, and im trying to trade out for some Wraiths so I can step down from Destroyers (which were really Destrulcans anyway)...no money to buy anything new right now, so if anyone wants a 170 Pro Rhyno that's been used for one round, let me know! - viewtopic.php?f=7&t=23697

[Fightingthetide]

Working on my form - slowing it down, pulling instead of swinging, etc. I think I am starting to feel the hit...maybe. If anything, I see an improvement.

I made some trades and got a few new discs. I know I have overlap with my PD's and EX's, but I plan on dropping EX's altogether for PD's and FD's in the future. The Pro Wraith is a bomber for me, reaching ~375' on a few throws. The Roadrunners flip and do their thing so well.

I'm really happy with this setup, minus the lack of FD's and a heavier C PD with dome.

Distance
168 Pro Wraith - Max D
171 Champ Roadrunner - understable
166 Star Roadrunner - understable
175 C PD (flat) - headwinds
168 S PD - stable control, forehand
170 P PD - lines that need to turn and fade

Fairway
170 Champ Eagle-x - Overstable
168 Star Eagle-x - Stable Control
167 DX Eagle-x - Understable

Mids
175 CFR Gator - Overstable
180 C MD2 - Stable
174 P MD2 - Neutral

Putters
175 Champion Rhyno - Overstable Approach
166 Pro Rhyno - Stable Approach
170 M Ion - Driving / Stable Putter
171 DX Aviar P&A (new) - Stable Putter
172 DX Aviar P&A (beat) - Understable Putter

[Fightingthetide]

Considering this to be my bag for 2012. Definitely committing to Wraiths, PD's, and MD2's.

Any thoughts here? 9 pages later and ive come back to a few molds that I started with. Now time to settle. I realize I've diverged from my OP - I have almost all of my drivers above speed 9 - but I've found what I like.

Distance
168 Star Wraith - stable max D
168 Pro Wraith - understable max D
175 C PD (flat) - very overstable
170 C PD - overstable
168 S PD - stable control, forehand
170 P PD - lines that need to turn and fade
171 Champ Roadrunner - understable
166 Star Roadrunner - understable

Fairway - probably switching to FD's
170 Champ Eagle-x - Overstable
168 Star Eagle-x - Stable Control
167 DX Eagle-x - Understable

Mids
175 CFR Gator - Overstable
180 C MD2 - Stable
174 P MD2 - Neutral
180 D MD2 x2 - Understable

Putters
175 Champion Rhyno - Overstable Approach
166 Pro Rhyno - Stable Approach
170 M Ion - Driving / long approaches
171 DX Aviar P&A (new) - Stable Putter
172 DX Aviar P&A (beat) - Understable Putter

[Frank Delicious]

Taking out the eagle and going with the FD means you'll have your two main drivers, the PD and FD, excelling at the same thing which is locking into lines instead of working S curves.

[CatPredator]

Why no KC Pro Aviar!?

I briefly skimmed the thread and saw a lot of different disc names. Many of which have a lot of internet hype. You just need to pick a few and learn to throw 'em. Switching to the FD or Fuse or Flow or MD2 or w/e the fuck people are crushing on at the time won't help your game long term. It is fun to buy shiny discs though...