Porsche320 wrote:I've had the most success with what is basically baseball swing.
Porsche320 wrote:I throw 240-270'. Doing the right pec drill with no steps, I was throwing more like 150 when I kept my hips/shoulders around 90deg, and 190' when I turned my hips closed. I expected it to be a bit closer to my normal throw.
Porsche320 wrote: I feel I need to develop more muscle memory before I move on. The short distances lead me to believe I'm still doing something wrong, and I don't want to make a habit of bad form. In my reasoning, once the arm and body motion of the throw occur effortlessly, adding steps/x-step will not be too difficult
Porsche320 wrote:I'm unsure whether I'm getting it right so far. Especially the tendon bounce; I don't have much "feel" for it. I have plenty of grip and wrist strength (from years of weight training, MMA and BJJ), but it seems using too much is a liability.
Porsche320 wrote:So, ballpark numbers (I know everyone is different): If a player (with no glaring flaws in the bent-elbow technique) can throw a leopard line-drive 300' at 85% power, how far would he throw from right-pec standstill?
CatPredator wrote:Probably not very far, and this person will not feel like they are ever doing the right pec drill correctly. The person throwing the Leo 300' does not have any snap. The right pec drill is a very awkward motion if you don't have any snap. With no snap, it will feel like you are exerting great effort and not seeing good results (less than 200' for sure, probably significantly less). You need to move the disc "in" to the power zone just a little bit before you launch it out. You don't want to take a big reach back, but the disc has to create a little tension on the muscles before you try to snap the disc or else it won't work.
"Anyway, as you bring the disc forward into the "power zone", your elbow angle collapses as the disc approaches your right pec. The farther into the power zone the disc gets, the more your wrist will need to bend inward, and that will create the elastic tension in your muscles that can be unloaded in the "tendon bounce" when you open up your hips and shoulders, and release your forearm. The thing is, the inward bending of the wrist is something that needs to happen naturally. If you purposely let your wrist collapse, it doesn't build the elastic tension and you end up with no snap. So, you need to be try to keep the wrist straight, but it needs to be dynamic and willing to accept a little stretching as well."
CatPredator wrote:anborn wrote:@Cat...
Just noticed you joined this site a year and 30min after I did! Do you live in a cold state? I started going through withdrawals last winter. Ended up geeking out hard on internet disc golf to fill the void. Paid off nicely this year. Keep hanging around the forums and asking questions and your game will be better for it.
Porsche320 wrote:I somehow, in all my reading, missed that the wrist should bend naturally at the end of the pull; I've been purposefully bending the wrist inward (and probably muscling out the extension too). I've been looking at the throw like a baseball swing, where I should view it more like a baseball throw. Proper wrist tension is something that won't come too easy for me, so I'll move onto the other mechanics of the throw while being constantly conscious of what my wrist is doing.
Frank Delicious wrote:and now we know the secret to your power. You are more machine than bear!
JR wrote:You should try to resist the bending back of the wrist to the left of neutral coming from the elbow extension.
JR wrote:And there is an active component to the movement of the wrist from bent back to neutral to the right of neutral. Sure the wrist fill flap open without any effort, but you should also try to actively to increase power by moving the wrist from left of neutral to right of neutral. And finish with an active stopping of the wrist and one mother of a pinch of the fingers. Especially the index finger and the thumb.
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