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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby JHern » Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:45 am

Does this mean that people will start throwing the Destroyer for distance records, instead of light DX Valkyries?

It makes sense, since the Destroyer has insane glide, but the only thing keeping if from winning in big tail-wind throws is the weight of the wing...and distance records are broken with 163-164 g discs, not 170-175 g discs.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby jubuttib » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:54 am

JHern wrote:Does this mean that people will start throwing the Destroyer for distance records, instead of light DX Valkyries?

It makes sense, since the Destroyer has insane glide, but the only thing keeping if from winning in big tail-wind throws is the weight of the wing...and distance records are broken with 163-164 g discs, not 170-175 g discs.
There are already many guys who throw max d with ~165g Pro and DX Destroyers, including Avery Jenkins and Jussi Meresmaa.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby JHern » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:55 pm

jubuttib wrote:
JHern wrote:Does this mean that people will start throwing the Destroyer for distance records, instead of light DX Valkyries?

It makes sense, since the Destroyer has insane glide, but the only thing keeping if from winning in big tail-wind throws is the weight of the wing...and distance records are broken with 163-164 g discs, not 170-175 g discs.
There are already many guys who throw max d with ~165g Pro and DX Destroyers, including Avery Jenkins and Jussi Meresmaa.


Yes, I know those guys throw Destroyers, but the DX Valkyrie has still been the most popular. I think the right Destroyer should be able to top the Valkyrie, and getting more variety in lightweight should help.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby jubuttib » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:07 pm

JHern wrote:Yes, I know those guys throw Destroyers, but the DX Valkyrie has still been the most popular. I think the right Destroyer should be able to top the Valkyrie, and getting more variety in lightweight should help.
Really? Looking at the stuff I can find on Big D in the Desert, only Sandström is throwing the Valkyrie, no-one else. The most used Innova discs seem to be Wraiths and Destroyers, with the occasional Roadrunner (Erin). Don't know for other competitions.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Jeronimo » Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:10 pm

JHern wrote:It makes sense, since the Destroyer has insane glide...


Is this a quantitative or qualitative hypothesis?


edit: well wtf Ray, how do they fly?
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby JHern » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:57 pm

Jeronimo wrote:
JHern wrote:It makes sense, since the Destroyer has insane glide...


Is this a quantitative or qualitative hypothesis?


edit: well wtf Ray, how do they fly?


Quantitative, based on my own experiments with them. In fact, I've lost 3 poppy top Pro Destroyers owing to their insane glide...they got turned over with the wind over my left shoulder, and just kept going, and going, and going, never to be seen again.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Frank Delicious » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:58 pm

destroyers have some crazy glide.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby JR » Tue Jan 03, 2012 4:59 pm

Destroyers don't glide so well even in less than max weight pro Destroyers, which are way better than the rest of the Destroyers. There are more than one newer more gliding max D disc molds out there now. Nukes, Kings, Bolts to name a few. I haven't gotten my mitts on Legacy discs, but the Rampage has received good reviews. Innova themselves make Bosses that at least in R-Pro outglide Destroyers. Vulcan is very well gliding and oh so touchy in lighter weights and not so much better at max weight either. But with insane max D line potential. They love to be thrown super high thanks to the low HSS and have reasonably little LSS. They are so fast that on high lines they are better suited to players with more power than me, but are also good for golf shots for sub 250' crowd and usable for the 300' crowd as an understable disc. Archon is slower and less gliding than the Vulcan but not bad either in glide compared to the Destroyer. Archon is like a used destroyer with less LSS.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby dgdave » Tue Jan 03, 2012 5:39 pm

You're fucking crazy, JR
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Booter » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:00 pm

lol the vulcan,archon and teedevil all have less glide than destroyers, wtf JR
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby jubuttib » Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:50 pm

Booter wrote:lol the vulcan,archon and teedevil all have less glide than destroyers, wtf JR
Yep. The only discs that get me more consistent glide than the Pro Destroyer are Kings and the one Slayer I've got.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Frank Delicious » Tue Jan 03, 2012 7:59 pm

that was a paragraph of incorrect.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Working Stiff » Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:38 pm

Between all the aerodynamic mumbo jumbo and JRs post, this thread makes my head hurt.

Anybody actually throwing these things?
Furthur wrote:Either get a lighter one, throw harder, or find a disc with more glide.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Whiz » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:00 pm

To put it nicely, I quite disagree with you JR, at least on the archon which I have thrown. The vulcan and teedevil I have steered away from.
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Re: Snow in Rancho Cucamonga? (Innova Blizzard Technology)

Postby Frank Delicious » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:11 pm

Working Stiff wrote:Between all the aerodynamic mumbo jumbo and JRs post, this thread makes my head hurt.

Anybody actually throwing these things?


VR but he's dead or something and won't post in this thread. Someone make a complimentary post towards the PDGA in here. That should get him in here.
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