Dominator and Mamba

[Booter]

via dave d
"We've been testing the Mamba and Dominator as well as new versions of the Champion Flattop Stingrays and Cobras for the past three weeks or so.

The Mamba was designed to give maximum distance for minimal effort. I believe the numbers are 11,5,-5,1. The Mamba has more high speed turn than any other of our long range drivers, so it is not meant to be thrown into a headwind. For those without much driving speed, it will be a blessing. It will add distance. For the medium armed crowd, it will shape long lines for turnovers and straight ahead shots, as well as big rolls. For those with big arms...not for them unless they want a real long fast turning roller. The Mamba will be released first in Champion around the end of February.

The Dominator occupies the same basic slot as the Groove, but no groove. It is somewhat faster than the Groove, (or Boss or Ape for that matter). Similar speed as the Vulcan or Katana, but more high speed stability than either. The Dominator will be released first in Champion in weights from 175gms down to 130s in Blizzard Champion. We have not established a release date yet for the Dominator. Probably some time in Spring."

[CatPredator]

Well, interesting. The Mamba: ultra speed and nose angle sensitive, but at least the rim size is more manageable than a Vulcan! I fluctuate between thinking it might be a good learning tool for wide rims and a complete piece of crap that the Roadrunner owns in every single way.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see on the Dominator. Could be a nice disc.

[Frank Delicious]

and with one single post I went from interested in the mamba to uninterested in the mamba. Shouldn't really be a surprise though, innova has made it their business for a while now to make wide-rimmed drivers for lower and medium power players.

[jubuttib]

Dominator is the new Groove... Well, if it'll actually fly like the numbers suggest and be somewhat consistent (compared to the Groove at least) it wouldn't be that bad. But Katana/Vulcan speed but more overstable than either, though not as overstable as the Boss, sounds pretty much like a DD2.

[turso]

I have a feeling thgat dave d is making discs for weaker and weaker people because he's getting older himself and destined to be a noodle arm.

[Booter]

pretty damn close

[jubuttib]

... Pretty close indeed. You'd probably find that much variance in a batch of DD2's anyway.

[discspeed]

Damn Innova, wasting a cool ass name on the flippiest disc ever.

On a more serious note, it could be a cool disc if it has some really great glide and a forward fade. If it's really nose angle sensitive and flips fast/fades hard, then I will have no interest.

[Triflusal]

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[Working Stiff]

Dominator snore, snore, snore...Mamba snore, snore, snore...Champion Flattop Stingrays and Cobras! HEY! What's the deal with these!?!

[veganray]

The new Champion Stingray and Cobras fly as if they were new. The Cobra flies like a long Roc and the Stingray flies like a shorter Leopard. These are from the Flat top Ontario mold, but really don't fly like their DX brothers. I can't turn the Cobra over at all, and the Stingray is pretty darn straight, rather than a turning machine like the original or DX.

[Booter]

daves answer to me asking about the tops on these 2 as well as any new info on other things

" Neither driver will have a Vulcan type top. Wings?

TL+ was just made a few months ago. No new putters. The Yeti is the newest.

The new Champion Stingray and Cobras fly as if they were new. The Cobra flies like a long Roc and the Stingray flies like a shorter Leopard. These are from the Flat top Ontario mold, but really don't fly like their DX brothers. I can't turn the Cobra over at all, and the Stingray is pretty darn straight, rather than a turning machine like the original or DX.

As far as actual fairway drivers; the FD Jackal we made for Discmania is like a cross between a Leopard and TeeBird. It will come out in March, I believe."

[evansanity]

mamba kinda looks like a roadrunner

[Frank Delicious]

Are these the DX stamped champ cobras that are on the pro shop site?

[dvlcek]

FD Jackal we made for Discmania is like a cross between a Leopard and TeeBird."

I haven't thrown the Jackal but to me a cross between the Teebird and Leopard would be a Gazelle. So is it really just a premium plastic Gazelle for those that have thrown both? Guessing Jackal might be a tad longer.