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Re: "NAGS" Zone

Postby Whiz » Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:55 pm

Thank you.
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Re: "NAGS" Zone

Postby Disc Golf Live » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:58 am

the_lung wrote:
And then you have the holes which are fine for Open & Masters, but have NAGS zones and are tweeners for Open Women, Masters Women and Senior Grandmasters divisions. But because of the potential for bruised egos, these divisions don't want to play different tees than the Open players, even though they are completely inappropriate and result in terrible scoring separations. But that is another topic altogether.


Good point, Lung. "Same layout" practices at tournaments are not at all conducive to better competition. Beyond the scoring concerns, this issue also results in pace-of-play issues and, I think, can keep newer players from becoming active tourney players.
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Re: "NAGS" Zone

Postby Torg » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:31 am

I think a few of the fundamental arguements for the NAGS thing in tourneys are flawed if you want to create separation. Lets say the average advanced player drives around the 400' mark. In a large tourney you play 3 different courses, all 3 which are intended to meet the no nags zone. If you had instead had the 3rd round at a place that rewarded people that didn't fit in that profile you would create more seraration not less. People that putt well and people that have incredible upshots are rewarded on almost every hole, people that drive above average are only rewarded on holes built for them. It makes perfet sense, if your goal is to create separation to make quite a few holes for them. We really want the winner of tourneys to be people that are good at all aspects including driving for distance.

Personally I don't think the throwing distance thing fits a bell shaped curve when divided by division.
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Re: "NAGS" Zone

Postby Whiz » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:33 am

Torg, could you explain a bit more about what you mean by "the 3rd round at a place the rewarded people that didn't fit in that profile"?
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Re: "NAGS" Zone

Postby Torg » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:55 am

Yah, that doesn't work very well. I am just talking about holes that reward people that can outdrive their counterparts. Lets make an imaginary Advanced level tourney. One with a round at BRP, a fairly balanced course for them even by the nags standard (not entirely though), Kaposia, more of a line shapers course, and again at Kaposia. If they 3rd round had been at HSSA there would have been a different type of challenge. One that rewards long drivers. You can't avoid having holes that reward great putters. You can avoid to some extent avoid holes for midrange specialists but no course does it. Many courses avoid rewarding people that drive for distance entirely. Yeah, this probably needs to be expanded on more but I think you can put it in the context of an advanced player. If most drive for x then etc.
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