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Help make a better Wizard

Postby roman » Wed May 09, 2012 11:01 pm

I already have the same thread going on DGCR, but I know there are a few of you that only post here. I want to get everyone's opinion on this so I am going to repost this here to hear your opinions.

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I spoke with Dave at Gateway tonight to get ready to place another G9 order. He mentioned to me he was trying to tweak the plastic blend to make these a bit more durable. I've been throwing mine for a solid month now and I don't see any rapid wear, but I do understand that some people have had big chunks of the disc taken out by unfortunate hits on concrete. Dave says this is because the discs are so firm that when they come in contact with another really hard surface they just chunk up. He's not happy with that because he wants the G9s to be sort of a step up from the sure grip (base) plastic Wizards.

He threw out some ideas on the phone tonight and gave the pros and cons of them. I want to try and repeat what he told me and get feedback from the users here. Key word is try because Dave knows a lot more about the materials and disc tech than I do so often times he mentions things that I don't understand.

One of the solutions he had was to throw in more of another chemical that would make the discs a little softer. The plus side is that this will prevent the chunking when hitting hard surfaces like concrete and will provide additional grip, but at the same time the discs will as a result also be a little softer. I know one of the big points of the G9s was how firm they were.

Another idea he threw out was to try and blend in a little of the Evo plastic into these to give them some of the durability of the Evo Wizards. The downside to that is that Evo plastic tends to cool with a bid of dome to it, which is why the Evo Wizards are a bit domey. He likes that the G9s are flat and wants to preserve that, so he'll just try to do it and see how they come out. If they do end up coming out with a bit more dome, is that a deal breaker for you guys in exchange for more durability?

Last but not least he considered adding some glow to the mix. Not for durability but just for the sake of them being glow. He said he has two different glow compounds - one that is really bright but doesn't last long, and another one that is a bit dimmer but lasts longer. He plans on mixing both of them into the G9s.

So again, let's hear your feedback about what you want from a future rendition of the G9. Keep it the same? Try to get more grip? Try to make them more durable? What is important to you guys, and what changes would make it a deal breaker? Dave's open to suggestions if you have any.
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby JHern » Thu May 10, 2012 12:18 am

The best Wizard I ever threw was one that Dave gave to me when I visited his shop in St Louis. It was white, rigid, and very tacky in feel. He said it was an experimental blend. I thought he said that it was a fire resistant blend of plastic, or something exotic like that. Very unfortunately, I lost it driving it off tee the first time I ever played a particular dogleg right hole that had a steep canyon to the right of the basket that I didn't know about before throwing. Anyways, the disc was just slightly over-stable, enough to throw on big anhyzer flex shots, or to hold a hyzer at maximum power. Fantastic glide. It had superb grip and was very durable. It's over-stability at the lowest speeds made it very easy to range on approach shots.

Tell Dave that we want this Wizard. ^^^^
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby roman » Thu May 10, 2012 7:49 am

When did you get that white Wizard from him?
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby dgdave » Thu May 10, 2012 9:55 am

Those were about 2-3 years ago I belive.
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby BLURR » Thu May 10, 2012 12:17 pm

He should call discraft and see about some of the white CT plastic from many moons ago :D
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby roman » Thu May 10, 2012 3:19 pm

JHern wrote:The best Wizard I ever threw was one that Dave gave to me when I visited his shop in St Louis. It was white, rigid, and very tacky in feel. He said it was an experimental blend. I thought he said that it was a fire resistant blend of plastic, or something exotic like that. Very unfortunately, I lost it driving it off tee the first time I ever played a particular dogleg right hole that had a steep canyon to the right of the basket that I didn't know about before throwing. Anyways, the disc was just slightly over-stable, enough to throw on big anhyzer flex shots, or to hold a hyzer at maximum power. Fantastic glide. It had superb grip and was very durable. It's over-stability at the lowest speeds made it very easy to range on approach shots.

Tell Dave that we want this Wizard. ^^^^


I asked Dave about that today and he said that's basically what the current G9i's are. The disc you got was probably a little more flexible (the G9i's are pretty firm), but it has the same components.
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby JHern » Thu May 10, 2012 10:29 pm

roman wrote:
JHern wrote:The best Wizard I ever threw...


I asked Dave about that today and he said that's basically what the current G9i's are. The disc you got was probably a little more flexible (the G9i's are pretty firm), but it has the same components.


Mine was firm, but not as firm as some soft Wizards I've come across in the past few years. If the G9i is anything like the one I had, I would love to get some more...where can I find them?
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby roman » Thu May 10, 2012 10:49 pm

The G9s are pretty firm. Very little to no flex in the flight plate. You can either call Dave directly at the shop to get one or feel free to hop on the second part of the group buy I started for these on DGCR. I was only going to do one but I had so many people messaging me for more of these after the initial group buy that I decided to do another.
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby victorb » Fri May 11, 2012 5:58 am

If Dave did this exact blend for the Voodoo, I'd gladly switch from the challenger. The g9i blend you guys are talking about is probably one of the best baseline plastic blends ever made, across all companies.
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Re: Help make a better Wizard

Postby BLURR » Fri May 11, 2012 6:54 am

victorb wrote:If Dave did this exact blend for the Voodoo, I'd gladly switch from my putter du jour.


The proto voodoo's were my putter for quite some time. Did some of my best putting with them. Would love to have a nice firm flat top run with a little tack to them.
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