My slightly domey one isn't bad either, got me my first ace.Leopard wrote:flat Champ Coyotes are the shit
Anode|ION|JOKERi|MD2|FD|TD|PD|LEGENDaParks wrote:If the posts on this forum are any indication, the PD is like a Teebird with sunshine coming out of its butthole so hard that it flies faster.
JR wrote:Cro would be a good pair because Gator may leave too large a gap in between the two because in too little headwind to straighten out the Gator the Coyote would flip so getting a straight shot would need guestimation of initial hyzer angle compensation for the Coyote to flip to flat and the Coyote glides too much and flips too easily in headwinds easily winding up way way of sideways in case of a misestimation of the headwind. Good Z Buzzz and for more wind Glo Z Buzzz would work too. And the early Cro i had faded more like the Glo Z Buzzz but i gave my Cro away so long ago that with changed form and more power i can't say about the headwind flips and fades of the Cro.
JR wrote:Have you tried the Spider? That could pair well with the Coyote too for straighter overall performance with the con of not having straight then automatic fade as hard as the Cro does. The Spider does handle winds much better than the Coyote though. That could be another pair to try out.
JR wrote:My only Champ 167 is lighter due to LED night golf requirements (at times one disc rounds) than the Star and DX max weight i have. The flight of the C 167 plus a light LED seems to be otherwise the same except a hair more fade that usually does not change shot planning and required form. Tunnels are the only differences. And of course the hard Champion plastic is slick and the Star ain't the grippiest blend either. I think the Champ should last a long time but FH is fussy for clean form. The bead doesn't make clean releases easier. Buzzz for straighter shots and Zone or Gator for automatic fades FH would probably be better in heavier winds for safety against the elements and user error. Spider is fine for shorter approaches though.
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