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Postby pask2155 » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:09 pm

http://youtu.be/3yHCVw1Ugu0

http://youtu.be/7g3iI-OOVEc

I'm currently maxing out at 320-370... Been throwing for a month or so... But any help would be great...
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Re: critique please...

Postby pask2155 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:22 am

Wow 24 views and nothing... Hmmm... Did I record myself wrong or something?
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Re: critique please...

Postby JR » Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:22 am

People take the easy way out so they leave the typing to me :-) And i was abroad. I'm a bit busy now but get some shoes man :-) You yank at full speed with the arm how about keeping looser in the beginning of the throw so that you could get the elbow forward and the slamming on the gas? See which way you throw farther and to be safe check out in between versions too. Your arm should follow through far behind your back. This is helped by stepping one step forward with the left leg after the disc has left and turning the thumb down quickly after the disc has ripped out.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: critique please...

Postby JR » Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:04 am

You should push harder with the left leg to shift to weight more forward. Upright stance at the rip is a good starting point. A few degrees forward may also be good to help with nose angles. Did the discs rise high slow down stall and fade hard? They looked like nose up throws with the arm being lower in the reach back than the rip point. It's easier to throw farther on a straight line if you maintain constant altitude with the disc. For high powered shots you should always take a step with the left leg after the disc has left. On second look i noticed that you don't turn the shoulders to the right of the hips which should also twist to the right of neutral. The shoulders should end up even farther right than the hips in the follow through.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: critique please...

Postby pask2155 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:58 am

ok so here's what I'm hearing...

1. Don't pull so hard in full reach back... I know I have tried to be loose like a noodle as I have read here... but I will try to do it even more... When I do that it seems as though my hips are turning in "front" of my shoulders... If that makes sense...lol... It's like my upper body is following my lower body... is that right???

2. Push harder with my left leg... so my body goes forward more and i'm not so upright...

3. YES my discs when I am throwing for distance tend to go up 30' or so... and they seem to stall out... If the wouldn't do this I think I could add 50' to the throw as they would come down nice and easy... So How do I correct this? Should I start with a higher reach back? Practice more snap? Or what?

4. Follow through with my arm and shoulders swinging all the way around (shoulders more than hips) and then take a step with my left leg...

Is this what you are getting at?

And thanks so much for the help... It's frustrating when you just keep doing the same thing and getting the same results over and over again...lol
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Re: critique please...

Postby Redisculous » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:58 pm

Have you read the maxing out at 300' thread? even if you are breaking that distance there is some really good info in there. There's this diagram on page 12 (which appears earlier in the thread but on page 12 it gets quoted with more detailed comments) that really outlines the body positions.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16139&start=165

Also check out Blakes new thread about disc pivot for a great diagram.

I thought they might be of use to you because it sounds like you might be missing the shoulder pause that lets you get your elbow out front (the shoulder spinner in Blakes new diagram).
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Re: critique please...

Postby Redisculous » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:45 pm

pask2155 wrote:ok so here's what I'm hearing...

1. Don't pull so hard in full reach back... I know I have tried to be loose like a noodle as I have read here... but I will try to do it even more... When I do that it seems as though my hips are turning in "front" of my shoulders... If that makes sense...lol... It's like my upper body is following my lower body... is that right???


From reachback to plant, yes. then you need to let everything get way out front, and then again near then end to bring your arm around and fling the disc.

You should be able to your hand near the vicinity of the "critical point" in Blakes new diagram

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=24903&start=30

without having to open them much, if at all past where they are illustrated to be in that diagram, by moving to "planted" from reaching back.
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Re: critique please...

Postby cubeofsoup » Thu Aug 16, 2012 6:16 am

pask2155 wrote:ok so here's what I'm hearing...
1. Don't pull so hard in full reach back... I know I have tried to be loose like a noodle as I have read here... but I will try to do it even more... When I do that it seems as though my hips are turning in "front" of my shoulders... If that makes sense...lol... It's like my upper body is following my lower body... is that right???
2. Push harder with my left leg... so my body goes forward more and i'm not so upright...
3. YES my discs when I am throwing for distance tend to go up 30' or so... and they seem to stall out... If the wouldn't do this I think I could add 50' to the throw as they would come down nice and easy... So How do I correct this? Should I start with a higher reach back? Practice more snap? Or what?
4. Follow through with my arm and shoulders swinging all the way around (shoulders more than hips) and then take a step with my left leg...
Is this what you are getting at?
And thanks so much for the help... It's frustrating when you just keep doing the same thing and getting the same results over and over again...lol


1. Yes, hips lead shoulders.
2. Yes
3. Check out the Grip Article and make sure you have good alignment and thumb forward position. Helps me get nose down. Also your weight is still too far back, see pic/video.
4. Check out the pic below for a comparison between you and Eric McCabe in your follow through. Notice his shoulders are past his hips and his weight is forward. Your arm/shoulder never gets past perpendicular to the target, you almost want to end up with your shoulders facing parallel to the target line (see E-Mac)

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Re: critique please...

Postby JR » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:23 am

1 & 2 yes.
3 Pushing faster and harder with the left leg and if it doesn't work slow down you should move to upright stance. Push the wrist down late in the throw. Sending the command around when the elbow starts to straighten is a good starting point for search of the optimum. The forearm muscles need to work hard to push well down and keep the wrist down until the rip. The higher you pull the harder it is to raise the disc even more. Too bad pulling high stiffens the arm muscles making the arm swing slower. Imagine that you pull the disc on top of a table to not let it drop and imagine that the arm grazes the table top all the way. You can practice in front of a large mirror to keep the disc at constant height. Stand stills at first.
4 the EMac comparison pictures and videos explain this very well.

Have fun in practicing!
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: critique please...

Postby pask2155 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:33 pm

Man this has helped so much. I am keeping my long drives straight and low to the ground now. I'm still sucking at follow through because when I do it I seem to get wild and my release point gets all crazy. But just the lesson of staying leaned forward and pushing off harder with my left foot has help like crazy!!!

Thanks guys and I'll try to post up another video with how I am throwing now with the adjustments!
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Re: critique please...

Postby JR » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:03 am

Following through means accelerating beyond the hit and that adds power but makes things happen faster so it's no wonder aiming is more difficult. You'll get more power if you lean back at the reach back and shift the weight to upright at the rip and follow through forward.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: critique please...

Postby pask2155 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:57 am

Hey guys it's a rainy day here so I set up a little way to drive in my basement to work on form... So I have been working on all you said... Check out this video and let me know what you think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHPkfh0I ... ata_player
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Re: critique please...

Postby Dusty5150 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:39 am

hey JR - a quick question on Emac - he pivots well after his release and his hips and shoulders have passed; is this just a result of super flexibility or is this something to try and accomplish - ie. late pivot.

Sorry about the hijack there, so i will comment on your video - you're still not following through enough, better, but not enough. My wife does what you do but she is subconsciously stopping herself from freely following through because of a previous injury. Let that right arm fling around backwards. I tell my wife to try and reach forward on her line with her left arm, and that helps her with the shoulder rotation.

ps. good job with the footwear, now get a haircut :wink:
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Re: critique please...

Postby pask2155 » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:19 pm

Dusty5150 wrote:hey JR - a quick question on Emac - he pivots well after his release and his hips and shoulders have passed; is this just a result of super flexibility or is this something to try and accomplish - ie. late pivot.

Sorry about the hijack there, so i will comment on your video - you're still not following through enough, better, but not enough. My wife does what you do but she is subconsciously stopping herself from freely following through because of a previous injury. Let that right arm fling around backwards. I tell my wife to try and reach forward on her line with her left arm, and that helps her with the shoulder rotation.

ps. good job with the footwear, now get a haircut :wink:

So outside of the follow through does the hit and pivot and reach back all look good?
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Re: critique please...

Postby ljerome » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:33 pm

You set it up in your basement. Can I just say how awesome that is! Now that is dedication and I am a fan!

Your improvement is great. Your form looks like mine 3 months ago. I can not help you like the experts help on this forum. I learned from reading all their posts. One thing recently that has almost got me to 400' is I now lead slightly with the disc out in front of me when I start my motion. I read on someone else's critque on here and one of the experts told him to try putting the disc out front a little, just as you start your motion like Dave Feldberg does. I went to videos of Feldy on youtube. I tried it and it has really helped my timing and follow through. Surely it will not work for all but it has helped me.

Good luck. Keep posting how you are doing as I will be reading!
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