Mark Ellis wrote:Most sins can be erased with a blunt edged disc.
JR wrote:How many new players have enough power to throw the Katana under control? Non controlled shots don't teach you well fast. How many new players throw 400'?
Wyno wrote:I don't know Mark, do you assume new players are stupid? I don't.
I do, however, assume they are people! Riddled by impatience, wishful thinking, confirmation bias, etc. I know I am, and I hardly consider myself stupid
Most people watch good players and, like you say, see something that looks easy - and they want the results fast, with minimal practice. They look for shortcuts, like most of us. Weren't you the one advocating unrealistic expectations? Well, the problem with having unrealistic expectations in this case (not unrealistic goals and dreams, mind you) is you will get frustrated and unrealistic expectations can increase the frustrration.
Since new players commonly over-emphasize driving length, they search for the quickest route to improvement in this aspect of the game. They get the discs that says Maximum distance, they unsurprisingly expect these drivers to go further than their other discs, and when they fail to consistently do so they assume, correctly, that there's something wrong with their technique.
But then (here comes the point at last) they don't try to throw flat and with control, they try to throw harder - and once in a while this actually works! Being human, we remember these throws the best, so we think we're on to something, and... fast forward some months, they're still throwing 250/300, with no more control than before and they've developed a set of nasty habits - OAT/wobbles, more speed than spin, always throwing flex shots because their only other option is having the disc hyzer out, etc etc.
Disclaimer: this is, obviously, less likely to happen if you have good players with the ability to give good advice around you or if you come from a technical sports background (so you have a better understanding of how acquiring skill takes time).
The theory of discing down (from "Clubbing down" in that most traditional sport of ball golf, btw), is the best way I've seen to realistically enable people to be able to execute those controlled shots, at a distance they quite rapidly can be proud of, and get constant improvement that keeps the fun level up!
It's not training wheels, it's realizing that you don't put a toddler on Lance Armstrong's bike. Or, to quote a wise man I once argued with; "How many Little Leaguers would do well using Babe Ruth's bat?"
Cavere wrote:When I say new I'm not talking first steps on a DG course new. Right out if the box I introduce backhand not forehand. I pull out a putter and play catch and point out little things like nose angle. I may even introduce a grip I use similar to a bonopane which I believe helps teach nose down. Then we go play. Eventually I pull out mids the fairways. And if they have the ability then to drivers.
If backhand isn't working I have them try forehand. The initial learning isn't set in stone where Amy given person is going to be. Yes I start off teaching someone with slow discs. But maybe they'll be jumping to fast discs right off the bat. If the flight of the disc lands it similar to where they're aiming the. That's a good disc for them. I believe that trying to teach someone turn and fade right away is confusing.
With all this being said JR I really don't think you're doing much different than I. I still start slow but if you have a newbie with a strong arm I bet you'll hand them a fast driver of nothing else than to see what they could do go their own sake. Feeling like they have some natural talent is going to keep them playing longer and more frequently.
JR wrote:Some people can't throw sidearms at all from the pain it creates elbow in, middle or out. I have injuries that makes me sensitive to how i throw and elbow in hurts the most for me YMMV. 330' on the first day is tremendous! To polish your sidearm i recommend doing some more Ultra-Star stand still flicks to remind you of how it feels to throw FH purely with power. I can't tell which elbow position yields the most distance because i can't throw hard and i don't think i could toss a TB to 300'.
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