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Postby MikeyDays » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:58 pm

I was wondering what speed throw I have. My average drive is 300 ft.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby JR » Sat Sep 01, 2012 11:05 pm

5-7 Innova scale maximum with the possible excepton of the least fading 9 the DX Valkyrie after breaking in. for a 400' thrower that means just a single hit to a hard object. Should be fairly soon for a 300' thrower.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby Blake_T » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:56 am

300' is about a 33-40mph average launch speed.

Everything speed 8 and under should fly as it was designed.

Speed 9 discs under 170g should fly as designed.

Understable speed 10 discs in the 155-165g range may be in reach, but not recommended.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby MikeyDays » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:19 pm

So you guys are saying I should be teeing off with a fairway driver and nothing faster?? My max is about 370 ft. My champion valkryie is understable and even my champion groove that I have had for 4 months. Why do manufacturers say discs with a speed rating of 9 or 10 are good beginners discs? And beginners throw like 150 ft. Are beginners only supposed to use a putter? Ive been BHing since this spring. My next purchase was probably going to be an orc.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby Mark Ellis » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:39 pm

MikeyDays wrote:So you guys are saying I should be teeing off with a fairway driver and nothing faster?? My max is about 370 ft. My champion valkryie is understable and even my champion groove that I have had for 4 months. Why do manufacturers say discs with a speed rating of 9 or 10 are good beginners discs? And beginners throw like 150 ft. Are beginners only supposed to use a putter? Ive been BHing since this spring. My next purchase was probably going to be an orc.


My maximum distance is about the same as yours. My primary driver is a Nuke, which I throw because it goes farther than anything else in my hands. Oh, and I cash at most tournaments I play in, in the various Pro divisions and have for the last decade or so. The Discing Down contingent would probably say I should not be throwing fast drivers either.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby Leopard » Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:07 pm

you're not allowed to do things the disc was not designed for!!
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby MikeyDays » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:42 am

Sure you can, Its called adjusting. Since when is a disc only designed for the EXACT speed you are going to throw it. Every disc is thrown at different speeds most every throw. Its more about how stable and dependable that disk is, which is why I like my ape.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby JR » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:04 am

You are confusing compensation with off axis torque to adjusting. An Ape that ain't a mutant should not fly straight at 300'. Or 400'. The only way i know how to throw straightish with so beefy fast discs is to OAT them.

Mark throws with forehands so the situation is different because the spin to speed ratio is different to backhands. Plus a wider winged disc is helpful for gripping FH.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby MikeyDays » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:48 am

My ape is a blizzard 147g and I throw it RHFH and RHBH.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby JR » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:14 pm

Ok that may be the explanation then because at such a light weight you can get it up to a higher speed and i have heard that Bliz Apes are not as beefy as regulars. So depending on the other discs you have it just might not be OAT but if you have normal new heavy fast beefy drivers flying straight without a lot of fade it is more likely that you achieve it by OAT and not world record spin rate with almost no speed. The amount of spin would have to bu unnaturally high for that to happen.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby pask2155 » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:26 pm

One thing just to chime in on is if you just want to throw farther and farther and could careless about playing disc golf then buy whatever speed discs you want and don't listen to these guys. But if you want to actually play disc golf on good courses where you need to be able to use flex shots, annys, and tight tunnel shots then listen to these guys! I have learned so much from them and I'm telling you I am keeping up with people who have been playing for way long then me simply because I'm starting to learn to choose the right discs.

It's hard because the nuke or a speed 13 will go further then a speed 6 or 7 disc at first but most likely it's because you throw it harder and want it to go further. But in the end you are throwing it wrong and you aren't learning to work a disc and the reason you don't like the slower discs is because they dump on you and seem inconsistent. But the disc is t inconsistent you are. And you can take and ape nuke or any high speed disc and rip it and it's consostantcy will be to fade hard left and you start to get used to it and adapt to it. But in the end you are crippling yourself if you want to actually play the game.

And don't misunderstand me I'm preaching to the choir... I still wanna use a monster driver on every tee pad but what I have learned from these guys is you should be able to get a buzz to at least 250-280. And eagle or Leo up to 300-330. And anything over that start getting up into the bigger drivers. And I'm telling you, you learn how to get a slower disc farther and then move up you will be amazed how much better you will play.

And again, I am just submitting myself to the wisdom here but i went out today and bought and eagle and used it on every hole from 280-330 and I got pars and birdies on every hole and it was windy today. Never would have happened before...

So pushback all you want but if you want to learn disc golf and play the game then listen to the advise on this forum. Because I'm guessing the reason you posted to begin with is because you want to get better. But it's funny how when we don't hear what we want (such as get a nuke and you will throw 400') we get mad... Lol ... And that was me 2 weeks ago... HahHaha
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby JR » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:18 pm

Congratulations Pask for a great improvement! In actuality a proper disc for the job unlocked the true potential you had built up until now for the first time. The proper tool for the job in an enabler. You got enabled :-)
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby Blake_T » Sun Sep 09, 2012 3:44 pm

every disc has a cruising speed range (for a given nose angle and RPM). within that range the disc will fly straight. exceed the upper bound of the range and the disc turns over. drop below the lower bound of the range and the disc fades.

more nose down reduces both the upper and lower bounds of the cruising speed range.
more spin increases the upper bound while decreasing the lower bound of the CSR.

a headwind reduces the upper and lower bounds of the CSR.
a tailwind increases the upper and lower bounds of the CSR.

if you exceed the upper bound, the disc will behave with aerodynamic lift.

to "get the most out of" a disc, you should be able to consistently exceed the upper bound of the CSR. this allows you to work its flight path.
if you cannot consistently exceed the upper bound of the CSR you will be more at the mercy of the disc's flight characteristics vs. being able to consciously manipulate the disc's flight characteristics.

it's one thing to develop a full set of disc skills and then choose to compensate with disc weight, understability, or form.
it's another to chase distance and ignore the learning curve.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby MikeyDays » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:16 pm

I am definitely here to listen and get better. Ive been on for two weeks and am already making changes. Its great to be able to come on here and get advice from people that are better than me and have more knowledge about the game. I dont get a chance to play with anyone better than me in my area so I never really had a chance to do anything other than self teach.
Im not trying to resist, Im just trying to gain an understanding. The hardest part will be not using my high speed drivers when they are so trusted in my bag. I just recently tried that and I gained strokes but I will keep at it. Im not trying to be difficult and I really appreciate the feedback, thanks guys.
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Re: Disc speeds

Postby pask2155 » Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:31 pm

What low speed drivers are you throwing? Because I hated everything I was trying until I went out and got a 174 champ eagle. I didn't like the teebird or Leo. But the eagle was the ticket!

And still use your big drivers when you have tons of room and they are 330+. Big drives is what keeps me loving the game. I actually get nervous when I'm about to rip it with all I've got... Lol. But the ticket is not to disregard the slow drivers
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