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Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:15 pm

A brief backstory:
I got my first set of discs in 2005, a DX Dragon, Viper, Aero, and a Pro D Magnet and was terrible. I was never taught how to throw them and never bothered to consult the internet, which resulted in my losing the Dragon and Viper to areas unknown. Fast forward to now, and I have just started to become interested in doing it right this time. I held on to the Aero and Magnet because I knew I would get back to disc golf, just as soon as the Ultimate bug could stop biting. It hasn't stopped, but I've made room in my disc adventures to enjoy disc golf when I can.

Over the summer I bought a Z Stalker and a Champion Roadrunner X-Out by suggestion to round out my restart bag and just got a hearty shipment in of used discs to start organizing a good bag for my local courses.

Drivers
X-Out Champion Roadrunner 175g
Champion Wraith (light wear, stable)
DX Destroyer (a few nicks, still overstable)
Gateway E-Sabre 175g (chalky, low ceiling)
Champion Beast 164g (no heavy marks)
Z Stalker 168g (a few tree burns)
Pro Wraith (beat, overstable)

Mids:
Pro D Buzzz (well-worn, holds lines)
DX Aviar 169g (bumps and bruises, but tacky)
DX Wolf (definitely the multi-purpose disc)

Putters:
DX Classic Roc 172g
DX Aero 172g (driving putter)
Pro D Magnet 164g

They're listed by my favorites to least favorites at this time. I will pare down my drivers as soon as I work more on my form and figure out what features I should carry. I'm pretty happy with my mids and putters, but will likely get rid of the Magnet in favor of getting another Aero for straight putts. The Buzzz was a surprising discovery, I really was impressed with its hyzer and anhyzer performance. I hold these all in a Lightning standard golf bag, storing them from left to right.

Any suggestions on my driver choices would be great.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby turso » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:21 am

What's your max distance with the roadrunner?
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:59 am

turso wrote:What's your max distance with the roadrunner?


I'm in the 300'-325' range for the Roadrunner. I don't think I need to get much more distance from another disc, but I know I can squeeze a bit more out of the RR before it starts to turn too hard.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby turso » Sat Sep 22, 2012 2:04 pm

Could you describe for which duties you use each disc.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:12 pm

turso wrote:Could you describe for which duties you use each disc.


I actually haven't been to the course with all of the drivers/mids I currently have. Before last week my bag was:

Champion Roadrunner: Longer drives, hyzer
Z Stalker: Control drives
DX Aviar: Approach
DX Aero: Approach and putt
Pro D Magnet: Shorter putts

Speculatively, I would use the discs I just got for the following situations:

Champion Wraith: When I need it to turn left, longer distances than the RR
DX Destroyer: Distance driving
Gateway E-Sabre 175g: Low ceiling control drives
Champion Beast 164g: Control anhyzer
Pro Wraith: Huge hyzers
Pro D Buzzz: Short tee drives, long approaches
DX Wolf: The "get out of trouble" disc, anything from FH to thumbers
DX Classic Roc 172g: Approaches/putts within 100ft

I don't see all of the drivers making my bag, especially the Pro Wraith. It's far too overstable to be worth the space it takes up.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby JR » Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:01 am

What are the distances between the Beast/Roadrunner and the faster discs? At your distances a River may be better than the Beast/Roadrunner(huge overlap) or even a Leopard might be even more usable albeit very likely shorter. See even the Beast at that light weight might be more power hungry than your current distance. Roadrunner should be better now but the River might be even better at least more versatile.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby slowarm » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:08 pm

Doh, the guys are making this way too complicated...

Look, you've got the discs. Now go out and play. If you can handle (at least moderate) headwinds with your Stalker, you don't need anything else right now. In time you'll find out what kind of a disc(s) you're missing. At this point it's crucial to get to know the ones you're throwing.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:22 pm

Played a few rounds recently and pared down my number of discs. Also got a few extra discs to try out. Would like to shoot for fewer molds. The discs in bold are those that I'm using the most.

Drivers
Innova Champion Beast 164g: Distance drives
Gateway E-Sabre 175g : Short drives
Latitude 64 Opto River 168g

Mids:
Innova DX Wolf : Backhand and forehand upshots
Vibram Obex 176g: Midrange drives/Overstable
Discraft Pro D Buzzz 175g: Typical midrange throws/Finesse
Discraft Elite X Buzzz: Flat release, tunnel

Putters:
Innova DX Aviar 169g: Putting putter
Discraft Pro D Magnet 164g: Throwing putter
Innova DX Aero

Liking the amount/molds for my midranges, but could use some expansion in driver and putter categories. I don't feel comfortable with any of my other drivers, ie. Wraith, Roadrunner, Destroyer, Lat. 64 Bolt which makes me think I need to work with lower-speed/non-wide winged drivers. The Beast is the most predictable of my drivers with a flat release. For putters I think I just need to get another Aviar and Magnet. The Aero is there as a back-up.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby JR » Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:24 am

It is tough to beat the Beast i haven't found anything better but it also depends on your playing style and the courses you play. Elsewhere the Beast may not hyzer and drop down fast enough so a more LSS and HSS disc could be better. Maybe that is the direction you need to explore with drivers and putters seeing you have only straight or understable discs. Rhyno/Pig/D Zone/ESP Zone for putters in ascending order of overstability with the Pig and the D Zone being fairly similar. Driver world is chock full of fading discs and the speed that is the most useful for you with the rest of the bag and the courses and conditions you play in guides the disc selection. Z Predator is a good left hook driver that is slower than the Beast and sorter so it is good for distance control and placement and it straightens out a lot in stiff headwinds so it performs that role admirably. Spirit hooks harder and despite being faster it isn't really longer like the Force is. Force is faster than the Beast so the added cruising speed helps in dealing with headwinds.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:33 pm

I acquired a Force in a trade. I didn't want to take it out to the courses I used the rest of the discs as there was only one 500ft hole, and a majority are heavily wooded. I will field test it to see if I can work with it. Otherwise I may look into the Z Predator as I had a Z Stalker but couldn't get it to do what I wanted for whatever reason.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby JR » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:24 pm

The Stalker is straight and the Pred hooks hard and is faster so it skips a lot unlike the Stalker so they are totally different types of discs for very different roles. Good pair because they don't overlap much. Distance is roughly in the same neighborhood so there is some overlap there but it is good to have different flight paths out to the same distance so those together are nice.
Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:43 pm

Went to the course yesterday and narrowed my bag down to these discs judging by how often I threw them/results based on experience. Still need a solid headwind driver. Planning on accessing a Wasp to see how it fits against the Obex and alternatively an Ibex to see how it compares to the Buzzz.

Drivers
Innova Champion Beast 164g
Latitude 64 Opto River

Mids:
Vibram Obex 176g: Midrange drives
Discraft Pro D Buzzz 175g
Discraft Elite X Buzzz

Putters:
Innova DX Aviar 169g
Innova DX Aero 172g: Out of trouble disc
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby JR » Thu Dec 13, 2012 4:32 am

So what is your gripe about the Force as a headwind driver? Too overstable still? If so maybe you can find a poppy top Flash or a flat topped Star Starfire or possibly breaking in a Z Pred if it starts out too overstable.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:58 pm

JR, I don't like the feel of the Force in my hand, actually. I've worked with it very little but it just doesn't feel right.

Got some more Beasts, a new putter to try, and some loaner/gift discs the other day while at my pro shop.

Drivers:
Champion Beast 164g: Relatively beat
Champion Beast 164g: Fresh
X-Out Star Beast 170g: Fresh
X-Out DX Valkyrie 169g: Fresh/loaner

Mids:
Vibram Obex
Elite X Buzzz 175g
Pro D Buzzz 175g

Putters:
Eze Pure 171g
DX Aviar
Facotry 2nd Soft Magic 175g: Loaner

I decided on the Pure because it felt better and better the more I held it in my hand in comparison to the Aviar. The grip is exceptional as well. Planning an end of the week trip to the course to try the fresh discs out.
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Re: Rediscovering Disc Golf

Postby aerodriver » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:13 pm

Got to the field yesterday to do some throws. Took some snapshots of the distance I was able to get with minimal wind. There's a concrete slab to the right of the shack near my car that I threw from.

DX Valkyrie 169g
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Star Beast 168g
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Champ Beast 164g
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