PDGA Rules of Play 2011 wrote:Par: As determined by the director, the score an expert disc golfer would be expected to make on a given hole. Par means errorless play under ordinary weather conditions, allowing two close range throws to hole-out.
PDGA Competition Manual 2011 wrote:1.5 Practice Rounds and Beginning Play[...]If a player is not present to throw when it
is his or her turn, the scorekeeper shall allow 30 seconds. If the player has not thrown after the 30 seconds has elapsed, a score of par plus four is to be entered for that hole. This procedure continues on any subsequent holes for which a player is absent.[...]
chainsmoker wrote:The use of "two close range throws" in the competition manual confuses things greatly. In disc golf we recognize a 10 meter circle around the basket as being an area for putts, if the PDGA replaced the word "green" with the phrase "10 meter circle" they could use the commonly used definition of par without a problem.
iacas wrote:chainsmoker wrote:The use of "two close range throws" in the competition manual confuses things greatly. In disc golf we recognize a 10 meter circle around the basket as being an area for putts, if the PDGA replaced the word "green" with the phrase "10 meter circle" they could use the commonly used definition of par without a problem.
The word "green" does not appear in the Rules or Competition Manual.
keltik wrote:i guess reading comprehension isn't a big thing in your part of PA.
iacas wrote:keltik wrote:i guess reading comprehension isn't a big thing in your part of PA.
Thanks for meaningfully contributing to the conversation. My reading comprehension's just fine, thanks. The post implied that the PDGA currently uses the word green (disc golfers use it all the time). The use of the phrase "commonly used definition of par" doesn't say golf's commonly used definition.
FWIW I've said elsewhere I don't like the use of the word "green" in disc golf - as in "that hole has a fast green" to mean an area around the basket that slants significantly. In golf it has a clear definition and rules that pertain to it. In disc golf there's no such thing in the rules as "the green" or "the putting green" so I have previously said disc golfers should just call it "the circle" or something like that.
iacas wrote:Accurate, good pars should test the best and apply a reasonable standard. I think I heard Greg Barsby say on a DGTL Radio show that it's ridiculous that disc golfers are shooting -40, -60, even -100 (Feldberg somewhere IIRC). It makes the sport look like a joke. If everyone is birdieing every hole, the drama goes down. The excitement of a birdie is diminished. Birdie becomes the new par. Boredom reigns.
I've heard some people talking about how putting is too easy (not here, necessarily). Perhaps that's a big part of it. I don't think you can just keep stretching out holes, because in golf even most hackers can "reach" the holes. The trouble is in getting it into the hole in two putts. PGA Tour pros make only 50% of their putts from 7'10". That's the 50/50 spot. In disc golf, where would the 50/50 range be? It's probably outside of the circle! That's a pretty big area, and perhaps serves to make "par" a little higher than it should be in golf.
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