Frank Delicious wrote:Really though I wouldn't worry about that disc too much. Just keep throwing it. I mean it really isn't your responsibility to weigh every disc you buy, especially considering no tourney requires a weigh in of discs.
discspeed wrote:There is a 2.5g tolerance on the weight rule(to allow for water weight absorbed by discs), not that it's really enforceable at any capacity. So your discs can be 2.5g overweight and you aren't breaking any (unenforceable) rules.
discspeed wrote:The weight of plastic is not static. It gains and loses water weight, and this can account for several grams. If a disc is legal at 175 when you buy it in Nevada, and then you go to Florida and it weighs 177 it does not become illegal.
discspeed wrote:This is why the real point of all this is that this rule is unenforceable, and if it is ever in a condition to be enforced there will have to be a tolerance.
The weight of the ball must not be greater than 1.620 ounces avoirdupois (45.93 g).
The diameter of the ball must not be less than 1.680 inches (42.67 mm).
Frank Delicious wrote:The quality standards in golf manufacturers are much tighter and better than the ones in disc golf manufacturers. It is hard to make comparisons between the two because of that. I remember watching some old gateway videos of Dave and some dude molding discs and it looks like two dudes in a basement molding discs.
Ryan C wrote:I would also say that 180g is right about the sweet spot where weight can be an advantage. Much heavier than than, and you're just talking about a seriously heavy disc, which will make you lose arm speed and distance. Things like rim width and weight just don't seem like things that need to be too strictly regulated. There is a point where they both cease to be an advantage, and really start working against you. Rules like rim sharpness, on the other hand, seem more reasonable for safety reasons.
discspeed wrote:I'm not sure when or where on the forums (here or PDGA)the discussion was taking place, but I know Dave McCormack was leading the discussion and if I'm not mistaken Chuck Kennedy chimed in as well.
"I for one would like to see a tolorance as Urethane discs are Hygroscopic and absorb moisture even after being molded.
This type polymer can gain .02% by weight whether its in the raw materials or in a molded part.
.02% of 175 Grams is 3.5grams."
"1-2 grams isn't a huge difference. But as the rules ready now, there isn't a +/- tolerance. A disc can go out of the factory at ANY weight, as long as they mark it 175, it's ok. That doesn't seem right. If they throw out a 185 wraith, and call it 175, that's an advantage. Especially in a head wind."
I think if you check you will find I have been consistent in my philosophy that players are responsible for the equipment that they use to compete with and I have advised all players to check their own equipment to make sure they are playing by the rules. Ignorance is no excuse for the law and in this case the rules!
Facts are, there are overweight discs from all companies in the market, most are just not marked with the correct weight and are being used each and every week in sanctioned events.
If the pdga decides to crank up the pressure on the manufactures, it could be a mistake as we ( all companies) are already grinding up perfectly molded and sell able discs because they are just a few grams over weight.
Where in the rules do you see the +/-2.5g tolerance; I thought that for a mold that was PDGA legal up to 174.3, if a disc weighs 174.4g it was illegal. -- it would be great to know where to point to that 2.5g tolerance rule, since I have several discs that are overweight (including several Assassins), and it would be nice if they were legal for play.
I believe the pdga may and should incorporate a tolerance on weight due to the fact that discs are Hygroscopic,.
a disc can gain or lose up to .02% by weight.
discspeed wrote:I'm also saying that plastic discs are different than golf balls, and that will never change. Lets say a top pro goes out to Innova west at a time of year with really low humidity and picks out a bag full of discs weighing exactly max. He then goes to Florida and it is really humid. After a short time in that climate all of his discs would be overweight.
discspeed wrote:This would be a constant problem for touring pros as they traveled if discs were weighed it at tournaments without a tolerance. Either that or manufacturers would stop aiming for max weight at all and we'd barely see any discs above 170 circulating just to make certain they wouldn't be overweight in a different climate.
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