Thatdirtykid wrote:i know this is a dying topic, but my opinion has recently changed.
I have about 450' of power, so crushes and similar are not overstable enough for major headwinds.
I used to swear by a Champ Firebird. It would turn some, but would hold its own better than anything I would throw.
I had thrown z predators before, but had no luck. Last week I lost my firebird and had a match planned out for today (its been windy lately) so i really needed something that would hold in a head wind, with predictability. Well about 3 days ago i got to a store that has a pretty limited selection in discs, but they had them.
long story short i got a Z predator.
overall the predator was...
got a bit less lift
and over all it just felt better, and gave me confidence in the wind.
the only downside ive found is its not as great for trick shots such as thumbers and flex shots.
by the way i agree with blake that the dx viper is of the best mid/fairway overstable headwind discs.
Its funny how much you learn in short times, and a look back at something like this makes me feel stupid (and im sure its going to happen again, and again and again...)
However I do still love predators (still missing mine...) I have been using a dx firebird lately and its been holding up into the wind great. (I think pro firebird is still my favorite firebird...) I will be getting another pred soon.
The reason I would even get turn in my champ firebirds into a headwind was my stubborn form. I was throwing everything flat, and trying to have a disc for all situations, not to mention I was throwing for distance with a wrist roll... My distance is about the same still. But Im throwing everything (except annys and some mid type throws) with at least a touch of hyzer. Which has been more accurate, less work and more predictable, especially into the wind.
Now unless the winds are really bad I reach for a Z avenger (which is a bit beat for Z plastic) and it is my longest wind disc, and is plenty predictable, much more than a wraith or others, wraiths still try to get too much turn into the wind even out of a big hyzer.
If I dont need over 385' or so, and theres room The knife hyzer with a firebird (or any very overstable disc) Is my choice.
And in that range but no room for a knife. My new fave headwind disc is my z cyclone, surprisingly overstable and very controlable.
Three molds (although the avenger and predator are very similar) for any headwind, I would say Im doing alright.
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