Correct me if Im wrong but it seems like with an above the seam grip your thumb is in a worse position to create this leverage. With your hand more over the disc, creating this pressure seems more natural. Also, this seems like it would be easier with a nose up orientation during wrist extension.
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JHern wrote:Blake, I understand exactly what you're talking about. Remember I told you about that local dude's grip, where he puts the disc's parting line into the seams at the beginning of all 4 fingers (where the fingers come out of the palm), and curls his finger tips around under the rim? His palm is far off the flight plate, and the thumb is placed down with a lot of pressure, which really accentuates the thumb push. He is a 400' thrower, even though he keeps his arm straight through the throw, thus getting little or nothing from elbow extension. To keep the nose down with this grip, he has to pull through very low, near waist level. His power comes almost entirely from this kind of thumb push and powering through the wrist extension.
I learned a great deal about grip, nose down, pulling through low, and wrist extension by thinking about this guy's throwing style, and trying it out myself a little bit. Not that I would ever want to throw like that, but after seeing how it all works with this extreme end-member grip I was able to understand a lot of these other concepts and make adjustments to my own throw. I would recommend that people try this out sometime in order to understand the tradeoffs between pulling through low vs high, wrist down vs wrist up orientation, and nose down vs nose up results in the throw (respectively).
With respect to applying thumb pressure from above, USAnarchy's grip is actually something intermediate between this dude's grip and the more conventional power grip. In the conventional power grip, the parting line is seated in the "life line" (in palm reader nomenclature, runs from the wrist to between the thumb and index finger). For USAnarchy's grip, the parting line is (at least initially) between the middle and ring finger, but still parallel to the life line. So you get the benefit of getting your palm off from the flight plate and being able to apply more thumb down force, but without changing the orientation of the disc so much that you have to throw at waist level to keep the nose down.
Bradley Walker wrote:I have had to leave my elbow cocked for the entire throw. There appears to be no advantage whatsoever to opening the elbow at all. It appears that the big hit is actually in the wrist going from soft with a loose grip to straight with the thumb bearing down on the index finger with all my strength at the point of the wrist locking straight and then powering through the lock a few inches past the violent rip.
It is basically, as I see it the Bruce Lee "Kung Fu" punch idea. The hand lashes out loosely and closes into a tight fist at the last second and the force is focused at a point several inches past the point of impact. Go to YouTube and you can find videos of Bruce talking about it.
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