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Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby jon_boi » Fri May 10, 2013 3:01 pm

Hey Guys,

I'm a recovering disc-hoarder who took some time off for family stuff (2-3 years)... Upon returning there are more than twice as many disc companies and lines as there when I took my hiatus. I don't necessarily have the time anymore to go out and test 50 different discs, so I'm hoping somebody can point me in the right direction. I've seen all the flight charts out there, so I have a sense, but with different plastics/mold inconsistencies/etc, I thought Id just ask.

My bag has been pretty set for a few years with the exception of one spot.. strait to over-stable midrange... Something that can handle a little wind go strait and fade as it slows.

Details:
-Live at altitude where things are more stable.
-I prefer higher end plastic (z/CE/champ) that I can use as flippies when older. New Gold Latitude platic and 11x Teebird with wavy color are some of the better plastics in my opinion.
-I have 400+ distance with my teebird and 325+ with my Wizard.

Current discs: Champ Boss, 11x teebird, beat CE QJLS (river to replace when necessary), Z comet (newer and flippier), Wizards (Newer and flippier). (drones and spirits on windy days).

Discs I've tested:
-Squall really liked this disc. Was in the bag for a bit, but is there something better? (most flight charts have these as understable but I find them fairly neutral?
-Buzzz also liked this....want a bit more fade/wind resistance
-Old mold element ... too much overlap with comet.
-Champ Roc - Too overstable at max weight.
-Wasp - Just didn't work for me

OK, so I think I understand most older Discraft, Innova, millenium and Gateway... with the new companies, what is the "teebird" of midrange?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby money 21 » Fri May 10, 2013 3:21 pm

i would look to a hornet for a better buzz in the wind.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby JHern » Fri May 10, 2013 3:55 pm

-Squall is still the best all-around mid-range disc on the market, I especially like the SP. Best glide of any mid-range, it works many different kinds of lines, and you can find some in a variety of stabilities/plastics to suit your needs...they even have D Squalls now if you want something that will flip over.
-Sparkle Aftershock is also great, kind of a more diverse mid from the Roc-esque family.
-Buzzz is the best selling golf disc in the world, period. For good reason. But it isn't for everybody.
-Roc3 generated a lot of hype, basically a Roc mold they re-tooled to better suit a nice blend of new champ plastic that didn't work well in the old molds. All that I have thrown are, without exception, over-stable discs that consistently turn hyzer gradually at both high and low speeds. Anyone who tells you they aren't over-stable is torquing them. This disc is, IMHO, only worth buying for the nice plastic, the Ghost is a better disc in every way...
-Ghost from Legacy is like the slant-top Rocs of old, slightly over-stable, very similar to the Roc3 but with better glide. Ultra-reliable, and now available in a lot of different plastics (but you still have to beat the snot out of one to get it to turn over).
-Warship...I hear really really good things about the Westside Warship from people in Europe, but absolutely nobody has any of them here in California, even Westside's sponsored pros in California don't even have any, nor do they have access to any. I'm beginning to suspect that this disc is a hoax, especially since we see many other Westside offerings on the shelves (if it is so great, why wouldn't they put it out there for sale?).

Legacy is about to release a straight mid, I am eagerly awaiting this one. Everything they have made thus far has been extraordinarily awesome. They're always swinging for the fences with their molds, and have hit quite a few grand slams already.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby JR » Sat May 11, 2013 1:12 am

The Warship might be too understable for power throwers and who is on team Westside in Cali now? Didn't Barsby leave? Anyway at sea level Warships flip so at your power aand depending on how high you are it might not but you'd have to go pretty high up to get the Warship to act overstable. Stalker is more overstable longer Buzz and at least all the Glo Z Buzzes i've tried are more OS than Z Buzzes. Still not as overstable as Wasps.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby PMantle » Sat May 11, 2013 6:13 am

Love Sentinels for that spot.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby jubuttib » Sun May 12, 2013 4:42 pm

For this slot I'd probably either go for a Roc3 or a Neutron Vector. Roc3 is a Roc in a fantastic plastic, not a meathook but reliably overstable, and has a good straight portion before the penetrating fade kicks in. My Neutron Vector is very similar to that.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby dgdave » Sun May 12, 2013 7:10 pm

Icon Ghost or Prodigy M3 or KC Roc
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby jon_boi » Mon May 13, 2013 10:11 am

Thanks for the feedback. I really appreciate it. Gives me a jumping point to start searching the forum.

Sounds like breaking out a fresh squall would be good, but that Ghost, M3, or Neutron may be good to look into. I'm not sure I can get over the Neutron's weird rim thing...Seems like these all sit in the same pocket, so it's probably a matter of plastic preference.

I'm a bit surprised there were no Vibrams recommended... I haven't thrown any, but I've felt the grip and they seemed ok.

Thanks again,
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby Jeronimo » Mon May 13, 2013 12:24 pm

Legacy
Ghost
Prodigy
M3
Latitude 64
Mace/Pain
Westside
Warship
MVP
Vector
Innova
Roc3/King Cobra/Super Stingray/Champ Shark?
Vibram
Obex/Ibex

Not necessarily in that order of importance...

*edit: Added Vibram
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby jubuttib » Mon May 13, 2013 1:14 pm

Jeronimo wrote:Tensor?
I'd call mine more plain overstable rather than straight to overstable. That's more Neutron Vector territory.
jon_boi wrote:Neutron may be good to look into. I'm not sure I can get over the Neutron's weird rim thing...
Neutron is the plastic (like Star, Tournament etc.), Vector is the name of the disc. What do you mean by "weird rim thing", the shape of the rim is pretty traditional, and the overmold shouldn't affect gripping it at all.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby luma » Mon May 13, 2013 1:45 pm

I'm a bit surprised there were no Vibrams recommended...


Well, the only overstable Mid they have is the Obex... Ihad it in the bag for quite some time and its really nice into the wind, but I threw it out for my Neutron Vector. I have an Eclipse Vector which is more buzzz-like, so it was just a reduction of the number of molds I carry with me. I would also recommend to try a Neutron Vector Max Weight or maybe a Tensor around 175g. The thing I like about MVP that the heavier rim really straightens the flight pattern. Even into a monster headwind it won't turn over hard on you because of it...at least that's my experience.
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby jon_boi » Mon May 13, 2013 4:20 pm

jubuttib wrote:Neutron is the plastic (like Star, Tournament etc.)

OH man... yea... i'm not up to date on the latest and greatest... :oops:

Jeronimo wrote:What do you mean by "weird rim thing"

Yea... just the overmold. No reason other than it's different, which admittedly is poor reasoning. I bought an Odyssey or some such disc from Quest that was a dual mold and was a POS.

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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby archimedesjs » Mon May 13, 2013 5:10 pm

No love for the nebula?
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby JHern » Mon May 13, 2013 5:59 pm

luma wrote:...The thing I like about MVP that the heavier rim really straightens the flight pattern. Even into a monster headwind it won't turn over hard on you because of it...at least that's my experience.


A debunked myth, but still a great disc. It's straighter because the shape deflects air around it in a way balances the center of lift better with the center of the disc. I think MVP is the only company that both manufactures its own plastic, in addition to molding it up...a very powerful combination. I really want to buy into MVP discs and start throwing them more often, but since I'm moving to Japan, and they don't make Japan class weights...
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Re: Great strait to overstable mid? What's your fave?

Postby jubuttib » Mon May 13, 2013 9:39 pm

jon_boi wrote:
jubuttib wrote:Neutron is the plastic (like Star, Tournament etc.)

OH man... yea... i'm not up to date on the latest and greatest... :oops:

jubuttib wrote:What do you mean by "weird rim thing"

Yea... just the overmold. No reason other than it's different, which admittedly is poor reasoning. I bought an Odyssey or some such disc from Quest that was a dual mold and was a POS.

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