JR wrote:Has anyone tried enough D4s in different colors to say for sure how large the variation are between colors? At the store i bought mine from were three other lime D4s and i got the one with the highest PLH the domes seemed to be the same but there were three different PLHs on those four discs. My highest PLH one was about 1.5 millimeters higher than the lowest one so i imagine there are lots of flight variations between D4s if others have as wide variations between individual discs.
My first D4 purchase was a translucent swirly slime green marked 174 proto that kicked the esp nukes out of my bag. I quickly bought another 174 slime green, two 172 yellow, and two 174 opaque lime green D4s, all protos. The opaque lime greens have a higher dome and lower PLH than the others and I found them a half tick less stable during the turn portion of the flight with more glide than the slime green one in my bag at the time. I went on a two day 10+ hour MAX D binge due in large part to a strong storm blowing through with 22-30mph winds and my forgetting the problems I had with my shoulder a couple years earlier during a noob throw farrr stage of my disc career. I had a few sky annys over 500' in those winds all with the higher dome lower PLH opaques. Four months later, my shoulder is just now recovering to the point where I can throw near full power overheads without fear of pain
The yellow's PLH are about the same as the slime greens but with a lower dome. The yellows would turn a hair more than my bagged slime green of similar PLH but I believe the flatter dome meant less glide. The flatter yellows appeared to fight out of the turn about the same as the slime greens but on average where 10-15' shorter in distance during my early stages of learning the mold. I think they were a touch more nose sensitive and slightly more apt to stay turned without full flexing compared to the others with higher domes. It could be a weight issue as I've read reports of proto D4s weighing as much as 180g.
Anyway, I have a tourney this weekend and the longest hole Bud Hill #4 is 550' turnover s-curve shot. The tree line on the right has grown a bit since this pic and the disc needs to turn and get right before the trees 350' in the middle of the fairway to allow for an easy upshot on the right side of divided "H" shaped fairway.
This tourney will be played exclusively at Bud Hill so I'll see this shot three times so I decided I better get in some field work. My four month old D4 has seen a lot of work BH and FH. Yesterday I was flexing it over on a 25-30' high line that would track 75-100' right before flexing back 420-435' when thrown correctly. Funny thing is my other backup D4s would only flip to flat and fade out hard 380-400' on the same line and full power including my initially less stable opaques
. I write all this to say that the D4 only gets better when seasoned, unless of course it starts off as a complete roller like the your D3 review. BTW, I can throw my bagged green slime D4 hard at 11:30 at less than 20' from a decent hyzer and it will flip up track 20' to the right before fading out to 400' at 12 o'clock. FH and a quick shuffle hyzer release pops to a stable straight flight for 270' fading forward 20-30' to the right out to 300'. Any more torque and it flips unreliably for me but I don't field work flick much further to save my elbow.
Sorry I don't have any experience with first runs or production runs compared to protos but I'd be interested in other's impressions. I had an orange first run D1 that flies like three of my other blue proto D1s. I also have a 170 blue D1 that I can hyzer flip turn a bit that is NOT a headwind disc and another 164 blue D1 that I can also turn a little more but I think that's mainly due to its lighter weight. I did sky anny the 170 "flippy" D1 to 490' once and its currently my goto max D when space isn't unlimited so I'm hoping I'll find another for 400+ hyzers without having to flex.
Here's a pic, yellow and green D4s on the bottom, D1s up top:
The green Cameron Colglazier D1 is a big boy 30+mph headwind disc they ran for the team before the Memorial but I can only throw it just over 300'
It might be more stable than the Nuke OS I tried and thought why??
Yellow D4 vs Green Opaque D4:
My advice with all discs is pick up several, preferably used at a greatly reduced price, keep the ones you like and sell/trade the rest.