Fightingthetide wrote:Can anyone compare the Tern to the DD Renegade?
Stability is hard to describe. The Ch. Tern is clearly the most overstable.
It even handles a decent amount of wind at my distances. The star Tern seems to be very similar to the Renegades at high speed, moving right a good bit if thrown flat. The difference is at low speed. The tern comes back a good amount, while the renegades just don't want to.
I have a 175 lucid renegade that I've had a few practice sessions with and just got a 171 champ F2 tern that I picked up to fill out my order of retro circle stamped eagles from the Innova pro shop. Those eagles are crazy overstable BTW. Tonight was the first chance to compare the two at a local rugby field in 5-10mph direct head and tail wind. In previous field work I've been getting the renegade further on average with more consistency than any of my other max D tailwind drivers (D4, flippy D1, seasoned star boss, and esp nukes which occasionally fail like a D4 turn and burn or a warp speed wide rim slip hyzer out early).
My initial impression is that the 171 jolly launcher tern is LESS overstable than my 175 lucid renegade and the faster tern has more distance potential. They're wasn't a huge difference in HSS backhand but the renegade showed me more fade. After a couple hours chasing 17 discs, I tried flicking with little to no wind at sunset. The tern would flip up and over for a tight s-curve to just over 300' at 90% power less than 10' high. For reference, my flippy D1, normal max D FH disc, was going the same distance but needed full power on a similar hyzer angle but did not flip. The renegade, while this is the first time I've tried to flick it too, would hyzer out a lot shorter and not turnover like the buttery smooth tern, therefore the renegade is obviously more HSS stable than the tern IMO. My best downwind pulls tonight were with my 169 bio trespass averaging 410-420 with the longest 435' downwind but needed more room to work than either the tern or renegade. My best throws up winds were 390' (bio trespass, flippy D1) with the tern and renegade 360-370' on hyzer flip with little to no fade staightish lines. I'm certain there is more potential D with the tern once I figure out how much hyzer it needs to keep from pulling too far off line to the right. Finally, in one bad upwind shank, I skidded the tern some 100' across the adjacent parking lot. The jolly launcher plastic barely showed a mark