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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby Roottori » Mon Aug 12, 2013 3:02 am

Thank you!

Heh, I'm not that desperate to get more distance that I would use those bubbly ones. I've actually got quite used to using just Eagles, so I'm not really even looking for a distance driver at the moment, just testing different stuff here and there. I'll rather work on my form and try to push those Eagles farther than try to go for easy distance.

Warlock? Isn't that supposed to be more of a Wizard-like disc without bead? :?:
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby JR » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:28 am

Yup. They break in nicely. The QOLS is a great disc in fact it is my FW driver and there are certainly a lot of options that are longer than the Eagles the QOLS included but there are even longer ones out there. Including the Beast that you dropped. Was it fading too much for you?
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby Roottori » Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:53 pm

Allright, then the Warlock isn't quite what I'm looking for. I need an understable putter that I can use while I'm beating in my Wizards, not an overstable disc that I can beat in while I'm beating in my Wizards. :P Therefore I ordered a firm Summit, I think it should do the trick while I'm waiting for understable Wizard goodness. And I've wanted to test Vibram's stuff for a long time anyway.

Well, my Pro Beasts were way too squirrely to be used in windy situations and my Champion Beast was too beefy to get any kind of distance with. I was having a lot of nose angle issues those days though, so I'm quite sure the problem was indian and not the arrow, as usual. I still have those Beasts sitting in my closet, so I may give them another shot when my technique improves.

About my technique, basically I'm not getting the disc in to the power pocket or power zone, whatever the heck you want to call it, but the disc only reaches my left pec before I take it farther away from my body resulting in rounding, nose up and no explosiveness. So I've started doing right pec drill and trying to incorporate it to my throw, and I've already seen some quite promising improvements. When I've played practice rounds I've thrown with two-step "walk-up", bent elbow and very short reach back (I don't really bring the disc farther than my left pec). Even with that short of a reach back and basically no run-up I'm already throwing about the same distance as I was throwing before with full run-up, reach back etc. and I'm feeling more explosiveness in my throw. So I'm hoping I could possibly see some kind of distance, accuracy and consistency improvement once I get more used to throwing from my right pec and get smoother with my throw.
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby DiscinFiend » Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:13 pm

I'd say your best bet would be to start cycling Star Eagles instead of DX. Star plastic holds it's flight characteristics longer than DX but still beats in nicely. Just throw in a Star Eagle next time you would normally need to throw in a fresh DX one. Eventually you will be cycling Star Eagles & you won't be buy discs as frequently. Just my $.02
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby JR » Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:05 pm

Nose up is usually not a result of rounding. There are probably other areas in which you can improve to unlock the power of the Beast. While it is one of the most forgiving fast drivers to nose up throws it still is a bad ass fast disc that is gonna punish and stay short. Super soft Warlocks break in really fast when being driven with as the main putter which is why i recommended it. Summit is a pretty understable disc from the bow and as such less dependable than a used Warlock. But it should cover most of your understable needs it just has a too high LSS for my taste for understable shots. At lower speeds or at height it likes to flex out which is great at times but not all the time. You are right about keeping the movements short enough to allow clean form and not running before you can walk. As long as you push the limits to learn more powerful form as well.
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby Roottori » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:35 pm

DiscinFiend wrote:I'd say your best bet would be to start cycling Star Eagles instead of DX. Star plastic holds it's flight characteristics longer than DX but still beats in nicely. Just throw in a Star Eagle next time you would normally need to throw in a fresh DX one. Eventually you will be cycling Star Eagles & you won't be buy discs as frequently. Just my $.02


I might give it a shot next time I need to put a new one in. I have one flat Star Eagle but it feels veeery beefy, almost more so than my Champion ones. I'm not sure if it's due to the flatness or are they really that overstable when they are fresh?

JR wrote:Nose up is usually not a result of rounding. There are probably other areas in which you can improve to unlock the power of the Beast. While it is one of the most forgiving fast drivers to nose up throws it still is a bad ass fast disc that is gonna punish and stay short. Super soft Warlocks break in really fast when being driven with as the main putter which is why i recommended it. Summit is a pretty understable disc from the bow and as such less dependable than a used Warlock. But it should cover most of your understable needs it just has a too high LSS for my taste for understable shots. At lower speeds or at height it likes to flex out which is great at times but not all the time. You are right about keeping the movements short enough to allow clean form and not running before you can walk. As long as you push the limits to learn more powerful form as well.


Aah, okey, thanks for clarifying that. Maybe I'm just not getting my weight forward enough and that is causing the nose up.

I was aware of Summit not being the same as a beat up version of a more overstable putter, but I think it will do the job I got it for, which is longer putter throws that need to turn over, well enough. On shorter or higher right hand turns I'll rather throw one of my stable Wizards with anhyzer anyway, but on longer shots flat or hyzer start and later turn is quite a different line in comparison with a pure anhyzer shot.
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby DiscinFiend » Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:56 pm

Roottori wrote:
DiscinFiend wrote:I'd say your best bet would be to start cycling Star Eagles instead of DX. Star plastic holds it's flight characteristics longer than DX but still beats in nicely. Just throw in a Star Eagle next time you would normally need to throw in a fresh DX one. Eventually you will be cycling Star Eagles & you won't be buy discs as frequently. Just my $.02


I might give it a shot next time I need to put a new one in. I have one flat Star Eagle but it feels veeery beefy, almost more so than my Champion ones. I'm not sure if it's due to the flatness or are they really that overstable when they are fresh?


The Star Eagles may start out slightly more OS than your DX ones but shouldn't be that noticeable. In time the switch will be worth it, just make sure your check the PLH & Dome before you buy one.
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby Roottori » Tue Aug 13, 2013 2:40 pm

Allright, thanks. I guess I'll better hunt for ones with some dome to get somewhat similar glide as DX ones have?
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Re: Roottori's Bag

Postby DiscinFiend » Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:21 pm

Roottori wrote:Allright, thanks. I guess I'll better hunt for ones with some dome to get somewhat similar glide as DX ones have?


If in your experience the Star Eagle has been to OS then yeah I'd say get one with some dome.
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