adidadg wrote:i dunno, imo any hole that should be a par 2, probably shouldnt even be a hole in the first place, at least on any half decent course....
that is a bold statement to make. assuming par is calculated based upon the average outcome of a 1000 rated golfer, you have to remember that a 1000 rated golfer is much better than most players.
if a hole is 160' with an 8' wide tunnel fairway, 15' high ceiling, and super thick rough on both sides, nearly every 1000 rated pro will park it every time. however, the majority of rec players will probably par/bogey.
most players would agree that a wide open 275' hole probably plays easier than this hole, however, the 275' is more likely to play as a par 3 since it's harder to be accurate at 275' than 160'.
i find difficult, finesse short holes often to be the great leveller. that 160' hole will let a super accurate pro that peaks at 360' compete with a 500' throwing pro that lacks the finesse game.
one of my favorite holes is a 160' hole at a local course. it's a 4' wide fairway cut through the woods that goes ~70' straight and then banks left about 60 degrees another 90' and there's sloping ground downwards and an ob creek about 10' behind the basket.
considering that over 95% of the 1000+ rated pros are right handed, chances are this would calculate out as a par 2, but this is honestly the hardest hole on the course if you are left handed.
i find it odd that if this hole were mirrored with a bank in the opposite direction that it would likely calculate as a par 3, simply because of the righty/lefty factor.