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Working Stiff's Bag

Postby Working Stiff » Sat May 03, 2008 12:22 am

Stable Control Drivers
(2) Tournament Cyclones, 167-169g
Distance Drivers
(2) Evolution Infernos, 170g
Understable Driver
(1) Beat 150 Class Tournament Cyclone, 147g
Moderately Overstable Driver
(2) DX Banshees, 164-165g
Very Overstable Driver
Weenie-arms don't need very overstable drivers
Mids:
(3) DX Rocs, 172-174g
(2) Sentinel MFs (Millennium plastic), 176-177g
Putters:
(2) DX Small Bead Aviar Putt & Approach,172g
(1) Omega AP 1.3 (same thing as a small bead, different name) 174g
(2) DX Big Bead Aviar (grid stamp) 172g
(1) 9X KC Pro Aviar...I never throw it, I just keep it in the bag to make new guys jealous. :P
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Re: Working Stiff's Bag

Postby IowaDiscGolf » Sun May 04, 2008 3:27 am

Working Stiff wrote:Weenie-arms don't need very overstable drivers


I know it. To some people a TeeRex isn't overstable enough. XCaliber? No thanks.
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Postby Working Stiff » Sun May 04, 2008 9:25 am

I've just found that the Banshee at the speed that it is can handle all the jobs I need an overstable discs to do. I wish I had the arm to need a pig, but I don't.

I also don't have the arm to throw something as fast as an Inferno. I really need to back down to a Valk in that slot, as I don't get very much more D out of an Inferno and it is much less predictable. All my Valks are Champ for some reason; I need to get some in DX and put them in the bag.

I have more Aviars in my bag than I need, but my bag has a bunch of putter pockets so I keep them full. I end up using them to practice before the round, so I guess no harm.

It basically the same set-up I've had since '96. I traded X-Clones for Banshees and added KC Rocs as a more stable mid in '98. A few years ago I added a high-speed D slot and replaced the KC Rocs with Sentinels. I replace Cyclones with Gazelles in the winter when it is windy sometimes.

I also replaced Rocs with Comets for a while, but I plead temporary insanity. :P
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Postby Eric O » Sun May 04, 2008 12:05 pm

Well I haven't thrown a Banshee, but looking at Joe's Flight Chart it looks plenty overstable for a headwind and utility driver. Only thing I would say is that with just DX plastic you might be missing the opportunity for some good skip shots that work better with candy plastic.

Also I think the KC Aviar is your best putter. You don't throw it??

Are the grid stamped aviars the full big bead? I have only seen those with the shaved bead I think. Pretty sweet if there are DX aviars with a full bead out there.
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Postby Working Stiff » Sun May 04, 2008 11:01 pm

The KC needs to come out of my bag. When I'd pick it up I'd start looking around for an excuse NOT to throw it so I wouldn't loose it. It was distracting, so now I just don't grab it. It's cool, though...it's got the old circle KC stamp, dimple, it flies perfect. I just spend too much time worrying about loosing it rather than just throwing it. Damn boutique disc!

The DX grid stamps are big beads, so I've got a nice alternative to the KC. I use the shaved beads for distance; I can put some hyzer on them and they flatten out and glide farther than I can push a big bead. I use the big bead for putting. That's opposite of how they were marketed, but thats how they work for me.

You have a good point about skip shots. I can replace the Infernos with a couple DX Valks and a couple Champ Valks. I'll have room in the bag when I finally take that KC Aviar out. :D The Champ Banshee is too much of a pig for me, and the Z Cyclone blows, so the Champ Valk would be the best option for a usable disc for me in candy plastic without adding another mold.
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Postby garublador » Mon May 05, 2008 7:38 am

Working Stiff wrote:I've just found that the Banshee at the speed that it is can handle all the jobs I need an overstable discs to do. I wish I had the arm to need a pig, but I don't.
IMO, the Banshee is one of the best overstable drivers for "weenie arms." It seems to rely more on rim configuration than speed for its overstability. That seems to make it more predictable and controlable than using a really fast disc without really sacrificing much distance.

It looks to me like you've spent the time to choose the best discs for you.
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Postby Working Stiff » Mon May 05, 2008 11:22 pm

garublador wrote:IMO, the Banshee is one of the best overstable drivers for "weenie arms." It seems to rely more on rim configuration than speed for its overstability. That seems to make it more predictable and controlable than using a really fast disc without really sacrificing much distance..
Can we make that a new "best of" category?

Best overstable disc for people who have no business throwing an overstable disc: DX Innova Banshee. :P
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Postby the invisible tree » Tue May 06, 2008 1:22 pm

You've probably thrown whippets before? Why the banshee over the whippet? They seem to be similar discs to me with the whippet being a touch slower and easier to control for me.
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Postby Working Stiff » Tue May 06, 2008 11:06 pm

the invisible tree wrote:You've probably thrown whippets before? Why the banshee over the whippet? They seem to be similar discs to me with the whippet being a touch slower and easier to control for me.
Just for me, the Whippet would go into a turn faster than a Banshee. Whippets ARE very consistent, but for me they are consistently short and to the left.

Also from my experience for that general speed of discs, the Banshee and X-Clone were head and shoulders above the Viper and Whippet as a forehand disc. I was able to execute more shots with the Banshee. I did know guys who threw the Whippet with great success, but most of those guys had guns.
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Postby Working Stiff » Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:29 pm

I slipped to page two, so I thought I'd post the changes to my bag:

Stable Control Drivers
(2) Tournament Cyclones, 167-169g
Distance Drivers
(2) Champ Valkyries, 170-175g
(2) DX Valkyries, 169g
Understable Driver
(1) Beat 150 Class Tournament Cyclone, 147g
Moderately Overstable Driver
(2) DX Banshees, 164-165g
Mids:
(3) DX Rocs, 172-174g
(2) Sentinel MFs (Millennium plastic), 176-177g
Putters:
(2) S Wizards (M),172-175g
(1) S Wizard (SS), 175g

Basically Infernos are gone, probably for good. Valkyries are back. Poisonelf traded me a beat 175g Champ Valk that is FUGLY but flies nice. 8)

Aviars are out for the Wizard. My putting has been atrocious, so I changed my practice routine and my putter to see if I could shake something up...trying to get some positive mojo working.
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Re: Working Stiff's Bag

Postby Working Stiff » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:17 pm

I slipped to page five this time. I almost couldn't find the thread.

Anyway this is my bag right now. See if you can find any holes.

Stable Control Drivers
None.
Distance Drivers
None.
Understable Driver
None.
Moderately Overstable Driver
(1) DX Banshee, (165g)
Very Overstable Driver
None
Mids:
(2) Tournament Comets (171g, 177g)
(1) X Comet (177g)
(2) Z Comets (173g, 177g)
Putters:
(1) S Wizard (175g)

I got tired of the all-OAT, all-the-time game, so I'm trying to fix it. Five Comets, a putter and a Banshee for when I get in trouble and need to flick something. That's it. No high speed drivers. Basically just me and a bunch of Comets trying to figure out how to throw.

So far, results are inconclusive. What IS conclusive is that everybody I've played a round with thinks I'm crazy.
Furthur wrote:Either get a lighter one, throw harder, or find a disc with more glide.
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Re: Working Stiff's Bag

Postby kern9787 » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:14 am

Just taking a quick glance... I don't think you have enough mids to cover all of your shots.
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Re: Working Stiff's Bag

Postby roman » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:46 am

Why don't you pick a faster understable disc to help you work on your OAT without losing too much distance? Were those DX Valkyries new? Those things beat into some sweet sweet turnover drivers (even for the weenie arms, if they're trashed enough). I had one that would turn over if you looked at it funny. Nicely seasoned Polaris LS also seem to fit that flippy slot. Throw them on a clean hyzer (as long as there's no wind in your face) and they can float for some time.
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Re: Working Stiff's Bag

Postby marmoset » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:41 am

It sounds like you know what you're doing. Let us know how it goes.
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Re: Working Stiff's Bag

Postby Working Stiff » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:30 pm

roman wrote:Why don't you pick a faster understable disc to help you work on your OAT without losing too much distance? Were those DX Valkyries new? Those things beat into some sweet sweet turnover drivers (even for the weenie arms, if they're trashed enough). I had one that would turn over if you looked at it funny. Nicely seasoned Polaris LS also seem to fit that flippy slot. Throw them on a clean hyzer (as long as there's no wind in your face) and they can float for some time.
The Valks were part of the problem. I'd gotten to the point where I was getting no D from them at all, just turn and burn. I was getting better D from the Rocs I was throwing, which made carrying the Valks kinda pointless.

The idea isn't to throw mids for the rest of my life. Hopefully I'll learn some things about how I'm throwing and have some drivers back in the bag by the spring and actually get some performance out of them. I understand the comment, though. The guys I was playing with a few weeks ago were going insane, they kept trying to hand me a driver to throw. They could not fathom playing a round without a driver, and they got aggravated every time I had the short drive. They just didn't understand that I would have had the short drive no matter what. Hopefully by spring, that won't be the case anymore.

Anyway, I tell noobs all the time to throw putters and mids and learn to throw before moving on to drivers. My game was looking like I was a noob, so I thought I'd follow my own advise.
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