geoloseth wrote:The nose down flight comes from the angle that your hand is pivoting on your wrist when your have the top of your wrist pointed in various directions. If you try throwing with your forearm and wrist pointed up and you stop your motion close to the "hit" you'll see how everything is rotated over and is now pointed downward, including the top of your wrist and subsequently the disc.
I do have an unusually limber wrist. I don't see what you write in every case.
I'm able to go through the wrist extension motion with wrist up, neutral and down. Wrist vertical in all of these attempts. Usually that takes muscle power to keep the wrist vertical. In practicing at home sitting down letting the disc roll forward and stopping the wrist my wrist tends to roll over to the right. Leading to anhyzer which naturally yields nose down. Either wrist position yields similar results. That is nose angle is dependent on wrist angle for me. Unless I remove every other finger from under the disc other than index finger. When I do that and let the disc pivot between the thumb and the index finger then the nose drops heavily. I need to lessen my grip strength of the last two fingers in contact with the disc for this dropping of the nose to happen. That may be the key for me. I need to try that. I'm worried about early slippages though with this way of throwing.
What I'm interested in is can you extend the wrist while keeping the wrist vertical for the duration of the throw and releasing with more nose down than the wrist + waist bend forward + or - arm pull plane angle for a line drive? While keeping say 90 % power in the index finger + thumb pinch. For avoiding slippages. To me it seems that if that's possible that'd have to be created by a downward motion from the wrist or fingers during wrist extension. Or keeping the disc in the hand in some odd way that I've not figured out yet. Or a very fine power level requirement from the index finger and thumb. Too little=slippage and too much an inaccurate throw I'm thinking because grip locks loom near.
What am I missing from line drives and more nose down than wrist angle?
We differ in grip in that in the video your wrist is rolled over to the right significantly and mine is vertical. Depending on the grip I use my disc is either horizontal (rarely now) or hyzered by 20 or so degrees. Depending on what kind of a throw I plan to make and the HSS of the disc.
I can create nose down with anhyzer with a locked wrist no problem. Without concentrating on letting the disc pivot too. To me anny always has more nose down than flat throws if there's wrist down and waist bend forward attempts at some point in the throw. I don't usually mess up letting the wrist bounce up from initial down position to nose up on annies. Rarely with flat or hyzer to flat throws. On those I don't get the front of the disc to be below the rear of the disc on higher line drives
In sitting and extending wrist training I've never seen nose down with horizontal disc without wrist down at the hit with grip power of sufficient power to avoid early slippages. Note that I've yet to start with fully loose grip and tighten late. I always have some pressure before throw. Maybe 60 %. I'll have to train with actual throws what initially wrist down and wrist straight initially to wrist down during wrist extension and squeezing power and timing does for line drives. The need for those is exaggerated around these parts. Anny nose down for me doesn't need any training because I've done that last year. Nose down part that is. Accuracy and distance can always improve on different lines. I trained with nose down both golf and max D anny lines.