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AA's Bag

Postby VADISCgolfer » Sun Sep 14, 2008 5:04 pm

I typed this up for a friend, this is the format we came up with. I hope it is easy on the eyes.


Distance Drivers
Innova
Champion Valkryie (Factory Second) 175g
Champion Valkryie (JK) 175g
Star XCaliber 175g
Champion Beast X-OUT (Factory Second) 169g
Champion Destroyer X-OUT (Factory Second) 173g
Star TeeRex 172g
Champion Eagle 168g

Discraft
First Run ESP Force 173g
Elite-Z Crush 174g



Fairway Drivers
Innova DX Viper 171g



Midrange
Gateway
Element 180g

Innova
DX 11x KC PRO Roc 174g
DX Ontario Roc 172g



Putters
Innova
DX XD 172g
Glow Aviar 170g
Classic Aviar (hard plastic) 175g

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EDIT: AA said he can throw about 300' backhand, and a 310' foot shot flick(sidearm).
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Postby JR » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:34 pm

Don't the Ontario Rocs and Element overlap and there are a lot of drivers can he throw each of them on many lines? If so then it's not a hindering factor to progress in throwing and game managements skills. Probably. Getting there is hindered with that much of overlap I think.
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Postby VADISCgolfer » Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:43 pm

So, he shouldn't buy anymore discs?

Should he take one Valk out, use only one overstable disc, and take the Element out and so on?

I haven't got back in touch with him yet, but I'm guessing there are no gaps in his bag?

What are "game management" skills? I can guess but I'm curious as to what your speaking of...
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Postby Timko » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:16 pm

Take out everything but the Force.
jsun3thousand wrote:Disc golfers are holding the sport back.
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Postby VADISCgolfer » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:27 pm

Furthur, I respect you since you've been around this site for awhile, but this sounds like a joke, right?
Take out everything but the Force.


On another note:
AA said he can throw about 300' backhand, and a 310' foot shot flick(sidearm).
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Postby adidadg » Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:42 pm

The Drivers are a bit of a mess. Here's what I would suggest:

TeeRex, XCaliber, Force...all are probably too much disc for someone with 300' of power. Dont get me wrong 300 is a solid drive, but these discs are more for players who throw 400+...big power guys. I'd keep the Crush and use it for whatever you used the Teerex/XC/Force for.

Also what does your element do that you cant accomplish with your Roc's or XD?
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Postby Timko » Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:20 am

Yes, that was a joke. I think people need to construct their bags based on the way they throw. There are some guidelines out there (fairway, distance, mod overstable, overstable), but in the end, it's about how you throw and the shots you need to use.
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Postby VADISCgolfer » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:42 pm

Here is AA talking:
It sounds like you guys just don't like innova.

I can throw it 100ft and it does the same curve as it does 300ft

All these (drivers) discs, you may think they're all the same since they're overstable, but they do different things such as speed.




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Re: AA's Bag

Postby black udder » Fri Sep 19, 2008 10:18 pm

VADISCgolfer wrote:I typed this up for a friend, this is the format we came up with. I hope it is easy on the eyes.


Distance Drivers
Innova
Champion Valkryie (Factory Second) 175g
Champion Valkryie (JK) 175g
Star XCaliber 175g
Champion Beast X-OUT (Factory Second) 169g
Champion Destroyer X-OUT (Factory Second) 173g
Star TeeRex 172g
Champion Eagle 168g

Discraft
First Run ESP Force 173g
Elite-Z Crush 174g



Fairway Drivers
Innova DX Viper 171g



Midrange
Gateway
Element 180g

Innova
DX 11x KC PRO Roc 174g
DX Ontario Roc 172g



Putters
Innova
DX XD 172g
Glow Aviar 170g
Classic Aviar (hard plastic) 175g

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EDIT: AA said he can throw about 300' backhand, and a 310' foot shot flick(sidearm).


Does he want some honest comments to help him throw better? Lower his scores? Be more accurate? Or is he just looking for somebody to ooh and ahhh over his plastic?

For 300' of distance, all those drivers are going to behave much more overstable than they should be. Throwing sidearm will probably be where he's getting the most use from them.

I'd suggest weights in the 16x range for backhand shots. I'd leave a couple current drivers that are particularly good for him for sidearms, then pick up a lighter weight valk and keep the eagle. The others can stay out of the bag for now.

For a fairway driver, I'd recommend a gazelle, XL, etc. and graduate to a teebird. Right now, I'll bet a teebird is going to be too overstable.

The Element and Ontario Roc are probably similar enough that he could lighten his load and just use one of them. While you certainly can throw them both, he'll learn faster what he can/can't do with either one of them if he uses it exclusively. The KC roc would just be for similar shots but with more overstable needs.

As long as he has a reason for the putters, they are fine.

As for "you guys just don't like Innova", guys on this board like the disc that does the job best for them. It sounds like AA is under the misconception that folks around here don't eat and breathe disc golf.

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